Proper Distance, Rest Length: What to Know

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of proper distance between spacelike separated events in the context of special relativity (SR) and general relativity (GR). Participants explore the definition and implications of proper distance as it relates to the rest length of a rod in an inertial frame where the events are simultaneous.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the proper distance can be understood as the rest length of a rod connecting two spacelike separated events in an inertial frame where both events are simultaneous.
  • Another participant agrees, stating that it is possible to find such a frame of reference by selecting the spacelike vector as one of the basis vectors in Minkowski space.
  • A later reply introduces a caveat regarding general relativity, noting that the same reasoning may not apply if the spacelike points are too far apart, as there may not be a unique way to measure the distance due to different possible paths connecting the points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of proper distance in special relativity, but there is a disagreement regarding its applicability in general relativity, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in that context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in applying the concept of proper distance in general relativity, particularly concerning the uniqueness of distance measurement between widely separated points.

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Hello,

Could someone check my following statement: The proper distance between two spacelike separated events can be thought of as the rest length of a rod that connects both events in an inertial frame in which both events happen simultaneous.

Thanks in advance!
 
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That's correct, and you can always find this frame of reference, by choosing the spacelike vector as one of the basis vectors of an inertial reference frame in Minkowski space.
 
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Okay, that makes sense :) Thanks for the quick reply!
 
One should note that this does not necessarily work in GR. In SR where there are global inertial frames, one can always define a rest frame for such a rod, in GR if the two space like points are too far apart, there may not be a unique way to measure the distance between them (different "straight line paths" may connect the same two points).
 
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