Properly Defining Limits and Improper Integrals in Calculus

  • Thread starter Thread starter aaaa202
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Limits
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the proper definition and calculation of limits and improper integrals in calculus, specifically focusing on the expression involving limits as \( b \) approaches -8 and 8 for the function \( \frac{1}{2}b^2 \). Participants explore the implications of these calculations on the additivity of improper integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the rigor of calculating the limits and whether the additivity of improper integrals holds true. Some question the continuity of the function involved and its implications for the limits. Others explore the definition of limits using the \( \epsilon, \delta \) approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculation of limits and the continuity of the function. There is acknowledgment of a potential misunderstanding regarding the limits, as one participant realizes that the upper limit should be infinity instead of 8, which may affect the calculations discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there are no domain restrictions affecting the limits in question. The realization of the upper limit being infinity introduces a significant change in the context of the problem.

aaaa202
Messages
1,144
Reaction score
2
I have the expression:

limb->-8[½b^2]-limb->8[½b^2]

Is it rigorously defined how to calculate this? The question arose because I want the additivity of improper integrals to work and if you take the integral of x from minus infinity to infinity to work the expression above must be zero.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
aaaa202 said:
I have the expression:

limb->-8[½b^2]-limb->8[½b^2]

Is it rigorously defined how to calculate this?

There are no domain restrictions that we need to be aware of here, so we can just say that ##\displaystyle \lim_{b\rightarrow -8}\frac{b^2}{2} - \lim_{b\rightarrow 8}\frac{b^2}{2} = \frac{(-8)^2}{2}-\frac{8^2}{2} = 0##

If you want rigor, consider the ##\epsilon ,\delta## definition of a limit:

$$\lim_{x\rightarrow \alpha}f(x) = \mathfrak{L} \iff \forall\epsilon>0 \ \exists\delta>0:\forall x (0<|x-\alpha|<\delta \Rightarrow 0<|f(x)-\mathfrak{L}|<\epsilon)$$
 
In other words, both limits exist, by continuity of f(x)=x^2 , so you can calculate them individually and subtract. Remember that continuity is equivalent to lim_x-->xo f(x)= f(xo) , so if you accept continuity of
f(x)=x^2 ( or prove it in the way Mandelbroth suggested ), the result follows.
 
lmao. I now see that what appeared as the number 8 was supposed to be infinity. I think that will change the answer from you a bit .
 
You can do this:
$$ \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x~dx = \lim_{b \to \infty} \int_{-b}^b x~dx$$
$$ = \lim_{b \to \infty} \left.(1/2)x^2 \right|_{-b}^b$$
Can you continue from here?
 

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
20
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
Replies
7
Views
2K