MHB Properties of "less Than" & "Less Than or Equals" - Bloch Theorem 1.2.9 - Peter

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The discussion centers on clarifying Theorem 1.2.9 from Ethan D. Bloch's book regarding the properties of "less than" and "less than or equal to." Peter seeks an explanation of how the theorem's parts relate, particularly how the statement "if a < b and a = b, then a < a" follows from Part (3). Respondents confirm that Part (3) is not necessary for this conclusion and suggest that substituting b with a directly leads to the contradiction. They agree that the reference to Part (3) appears to be an error by Bloch, as the simpler substitution suffices. This discussion highlights the nuances of mathematical reasoning in the context of real analysis.
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I am reading Ethan D. Bloch's book: The Real Numbers and Real Analysis ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 1: Construction of the Real Numbers ...

I need help/clarification with an aspect of Theorem 1.2.9 (6) ...

Theorem 1.2.9 reads as follows:
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In the above proof of (6) we read the following:

" ... ... Suppose that $$a \lt b$$ and $$a = b$$. It then follows from Part (3) of this theorem that $$a \lt a$$ ... ... "Can someone please explain how Part (3) of Theorem 1.2.9 leads to the statement that $$a \lt b$$ and $$a = b \Longrightarrow a \lt a$$ ... ...

... ... ... ...Further ... why can't we argue this way ...

... because $$a = b$$ we can replace $$b$$ by $$a$$ in $$a \lt b$$ giving $$a \lt a $$ ... which contradicts Part (1) of the theorem ...
Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 
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Re: Properties of 'less than" and "less than or equals" - Bloch Theorem 1.2.9 ... ...

Peter said:
In the above proof of (6) we read the following:
" ... ... Suppose that $$a \lt b$$ and $$a = b$$. It then follows from Part (3) of this theorem that $$a \lt a$$ ... ... "Can someone please explain how Part (3) of Theorem 1.2.9 leads to the statement that $$a \lt b$$ and $$a = b \Longrightarrow a \lt a$$ ... ...

Further ... why can't we argue this way ...
... because $$a = b$$ we can replace $$b$$ by $$a$$ in $$a \lt b$$ giving $$a \lt a $$ ... which contradicts Part (1) of the theorem ...

Hi Peter,

You are quite correct.
Part (3) about transitivity is not involved whatsoever on $a<b$ and $a=b$.
Instead we can simply substitute as you surmised.
In other words, we can leave out the reference to part (3) and it will be correct.

It looks as if Bloch accidentally gave a reference to part (3) when that only applies to the part that comes after: about $a<b$ and $b < a$.
 
Re: Properties of 'less than" and "less than or equals" - Bloch Theorem 1.2.9 ... ...

Part (3) can be used because $a=b$ (rather, $b=a$) implies $b\le a$ by definition, and then $a<b$ and $b\le a$ imply $a<a$ by part (3). But yes, it is easier to replace $b$ with $a$ in $a<b$ to get $a<a$.
 
Re: Properties of 'less than" and "less than or equals" - Bloch Theorem 1.2.9 ... ...

Evgeny.Makarov said:
Part (3) can be used because $a=b$ (rather, $b=a$) implies $b\le a$ by definition, and then $a<b$ and $b\le a$ imply $a<a$ by part (3). But yes, it is easier to replace $b$ with $a$ in $a<b$ to get $a<a$.
Thanks I Like Serena and Evgeny ...

Appreciate your help ...

Peter
 
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