Prove a map of a space onto itself is bijective

  • Thread starter Thread starter pacificguy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Map Space
AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on the properties of functions between metric spaces, particularly focusing on whether an onto function F from a metric space A to itself must also be one-to-one. It is established that this is not necessarily true, as demonstrated with a counterexample using natural numbers. The conversation then shifts to the existence of bijections between metric spaces A and B when there are onto functions F and G between them. The importance of linearity in determining linear mappings from one topological vector space to another is emphasized, along with the role of finite dimensionality in expressing these mappings as matrices. The discussion concludes with the affirmation that every finite dimensional vector space has a basis, while the existence of a basis in infinite dimensional spaces is more complex.
pacificguy
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Hi,
Say F:A->A where A is a metric space and F is onto. I think it should be true that this implies that F is also one to one. Is there a way to formally prove this? Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Of course not. Let A be the set of natural numbers. Then F:A -> A by F(1)=1, F(2)=1, F(3)=2, F(4)=3,..F(k)=k-1

And of course A is a metric space with the standard absolute value

You need some other condition on F
 
Oh I guess you're right. Ok if A and B are two metric spaces and there exists two onto functions F and G such that F:A->B and G:B->A, is there a way to prove that there exists a bijection mapping A to B? The reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to prove a comment from Rudin that says there is a bijection from the set of all Linear operators from R^n to R^m and the set of all real mxn matrices.
 
The comment in Rudin doesn't really have anything to do with what you're talking about as far as I can tell.

Given a linear map, it is determined entirely by how it maps the basis elements of Rn. And you can find a matrix that maps each basis element to any point of your choosing in Rm. So given a linear map, you can find a matrix which is the same function (and obviously every matrix is a linear map) and hence the two sets are essentially equivalent
 
So linearity is the key to the proof? Or does a topological vector space being finite dimensional also play a role when it comes to being able to uniquely determine a linear mapping by how it maps basis elements?

In other words, is the following statement true:

Given a linear mapping L from a topological vector space X onto a topological vector space Y, L is "determined entirely by how it maps the basis elements of X?"

I am looking at Functional Analysis "Big Rudin" page 16 Theorems 1.21 and 1.22 which relate local compactness of a topological vector space to that space necessarily having finite dimension.
 
Edwin said:
So linearity is the key to the proof? Or does a topological vector space being finite dimensional also play a role when it comes to being able to uniquely determine a linear mapping by how it maps basis elements?

The finite dimensionality is important only for allowing you to actually write a matrix

In other words, is the following statement true:
Given a linear mapping L from a topological vector space X onto a topological vector space Y, L is "determined entirely by how it maps the basis elements of X?"

Of course. If you know how it maps the basis elements, then let v be in X.

v= \sum_{i=1}^{n} \alpha_i v_i for some basis vectors vi and field elements \alpha_i. But we know precisely how to calculate
L(\sum_{i=1}^{n} \alpha_i v_i)

Note that X and Y being topological has nothing to do with it
 
Does every vector space have a basis?
 
Yes. The fact that every finite dimensional vector space has a basis is one of the basic theorems of Linear Algebra. The fact that every infinite dimensional vector space has a basis requires something like Zorn's Lemma.
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
484
Replies
43
Views
5K
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
3K
Replies
10
Views
2K
Back
Top