Prove Inequality: llxl - lyll < lx - yl

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The problem involves proving an inequality related to absolute values for real numbers x and y, specifically llxl - lyll < lx - yl. The discussion centers around understanding the implications of absolute values and the triangle inequality in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss starting points, including considering cases based on the signs of x and y. There are hints about using squared forms of the absolute values and the triangle inequality. Questions arise regarding the meaning of the double modulus sign and its implications for the proof.

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Some participants have offered hints and guidance, suggesting various approaches to tackle the proof. There is an acknowledgment of the need for patience and multiple cases, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

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Participants note the potential complexity of the proof and the necessity of understanding the properties of absolute values, particularly in relation to sequences. There is also a mention of the nested absolute value and its intended purpose in the inequality.

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Homework Statement


For real numbers x and y prove the following:

llxl - lyll < (or equal to) lx - yl


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Im not really sure where to start, i was considering cases where x < 0 and say y< 0 and what that would imply say x-y would be. But I am not sure how to continue.
 
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Fairy111 said:

Homework Statement


For real numbers x and y prove the following:

llxl - lyll < (or equal to) lx - yl
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You may need to consider a couple cases. There may be a little trick to doing this one.
I would say look at | x | equals and then look at what | y | equals.
So maybe add an subtract some thing to x, do the same for y. Then the triangle inequality says that
| a + b | <= |a| + |b| . This should be helpful in solving this. Does that help?
 
ok, thankyou - i will have ago, althought I am not very good at proving things! Also what does the double modulus sign mean?
 
Fairy111 said:
ok, thankyou - i will have ago, althought I am not very good at proving things! Also what does the double modulus sign mean?

Me either, I think it just takes a lot of patience. I may be misunderstanding your question, but I believe the fact that there is this nested absolute value in the inequality is done to provide a relationship that you will find useful, especially with sequences. I remember a couple of proofs that I would not have gotten without knowing the statement you are trying to prove.

Conceptually though it makes sense. Think about the modulus (absolute value) sign as a measure. Then what the statement below is saying something obvious. That if you have take the absolute value of some number A it will always be positive, likewise for B. So | A | - | B | is guaranteed to be less than A. On the other hand A - B is not guaranteed to be less than A, suppose A is positive and B is negative. And so the distance between | |A| - |B| | <= | A - B|. Or at least, that is how I conceptualize absolute values. There is also an inequality way to interprer them. Let k be some positive number. Then | x | <= k iff
-k <= x <= k
 

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