Prove Lim of x^2 as x approaches 3 = 9 with Epsilon/ Delta Definition

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of \(x^2\) as \(x\) approaches 3 equals 9 using the epsilon-delta definition of a limit. Participants are exploring the nuances of applying this definition to a polynomial function.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish the relationship between \(|x-3|\) and \(|x^2-9|\) using the epsilon-delta definition. Some participants suggest manipulating the inequality \(|(x-3)(x+3)|<\epsilon\) to express \(|x-3|\) in terms of \(\epsilon\). Others question how to handle the assumption that \(|x+3|\) remains non-zero when \(x\) is near 3.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various perspectives on how to manipulate the inequalities involved. There is a recognition of the need for assumptions regarding \(\delta\) to avoid division by zero, and some guidance has been provided on how to approach the epsilon-delta proof.

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There are discussions about the clarity of the textbook's explanations and the challenges of applying the epsilon-delta definition to functions that may not behave nicely. Participants are also considering how to restrict the values of \(x\) to ensure the validity of their manipulations.

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Prove Lim x^2=9. With the epsilon/delta definition of a limit.
x->3

My work so far. For every ε>0 there is a δ>0 such that

if 0<|x-3|<δ , Then |x^2-9|<ε

so, |(x-3)(x+3)|<ε

|x-3|* |x+3|∠ε

what do I do from here? My book is not very clear (Stewart Calculus 7ed) on how to do episolon/delta tolerance proofs on not so nice functions.

please help me.
 
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and i also know that |x-3| is smaller then delta. I think this is a clue.
 
Try writing |x-3||x+3|&lt;\epsilon as |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{|x+3|} and then substituting that for \delta.
 
wakefield said:
Try writing |x-3||x+3|&lt;\epsilon as |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{|x+3|} and then substituting that for \delta.

so when sub everything back in I should get back the original? Therefore that last step was the answer? Or is there something more to it?
 
wakefield said:
Try writing |x-3||x+3|&lt;\epsilon as |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{|x+3|} and then substituting that for \delta.
No, that's not how it works. If x is close to -3, then |x + 3| is close to zero, and you can't divide by zero. On the other hand, if x is close to 3, then |x + 3| is close to 6.

You have to make some assumptions on ##\delta## so that x is not too far away from 3.
 
Mark44 said:
No, that's not how it works. If x is close to -3, then |x + 3| is close to zero, and you can't divide by zero. On the other hand, if x is close to 3, then |x + 3| is close to 6.

You have to make some assumptions on ##\delta## so that x is not too far away from 3.


Sure it is.
Say that |x-3|&lt;1, then 5&lt;x+3&lt;7. Then we know that |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{|x+3|}&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{7}.Now we have a case where |x-3|&lt;1 and a case where |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{7}. So let \delta=min\{1,\frac{\epsilon}{7}\}.
It's not like a direct substitution but it's the right idea.
 
wakefield said:
Sure it is.
Say that |x-3|&lt;1, then 5&lt;x+3&lt;7. Then we know that |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{|x+3|}&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{7}.Now we have a case where |x-3|&lt;1 and a case where |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{7}. So let \delta=min\{1,\frac{\epsilon}{7}\}.
It's not like a direct substitution but it's the right idea.

how do we create the assumptions? Can I have an explanation in layman terms lol. This looks like the example in my book.

how did we restrict the values?
 
wakefield said:
Sure it is.
Say that |x-3|&lt;1, then 5&lt;x+3&lt;7. Then we know that |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{|x+3|}&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{7}.Now we have a case where |x-3|&lt;1 and a case where |x-3|&lt;\frac{\epsilon}{7}. So let \delta=min\{1,\frac{\epsilon}{7}\}.
It's not like a direct substitution but it's the right idea.
This is basically what I was talking about.
 

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