Prove open set in C[0,1] function space

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The problem involves proving that the set Y, defined as the collection of continuous functions on the interval [0,1] that do not equal zero at the point 0, is open in the metric space C[0,1] with respect to the supremum metric d_{\infty}.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the definition of interior points and the conditions under which Y can be considered open. There is exploration of how to construct neighborhoods around functions in Y and the implications of the value of epsilon in relation to f(0).

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the continuity of functions and the restrictions needed on epsilon to ensure that functions remain in Y. There is recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the wiggle room for f(0) and the overall behavior of functions in Y.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the metric d_{\infty} and how it relates to the openness of the set Y, particularly in terms of continuity and the specific value of f(0).

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Homework Statement



Let [tex]X = C[0,1][/tex] under the metric [tex]d_{\infty}[/tex]. Let
[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> Y = \{ f \in C[0,1] : f(0) \ne 0 \}<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Prove that [tex]Y[/tex] is open in [tex](C[0,1], d_{\infty})[/tex].

Homework Equations




The formulae for [tex]d_{\infty}[/tex] is
[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> d_{\infty}(f,g) = \max_{0 \leq t \leq 1} |f(t) - g(t)|<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



For any [tex]f \in Y[/tex], which means [tex]f \in C[0,1] \wedge f(0) \ne 0[/tex], if
[tex]f[/tex] is an interior point of [tex]Y[/tex], then [tex]Y[/tex] is open in [tex](C[0,1],<br /> d_{\infty})[/tex]. [tex]f[/tex] is an interior point if there is an [tex]\varepsilon<br /> > 0[/tex] such that the neighborhood [tex]O_{\varepsilon}(f) \subseteq Y[/tex], meaning all [tex]g \in C[0,1][/tex] satisfying [tex]\displaystyle d_{\infty}(f,g)<br /> = \max_{0 \leq t \leq 1} f(t) - g(t)| < \varepsilon[/tex] must
belong to [tex]Y[/tex], which says [tex]g(0) \ne 0[/tex]. Suppose to the contrary there
exists a [tex]g \in C[0,1][/tex] such that [tex]\displaystyle d_{\infty}(f,g) =<br /> \max_{0 \leq t \leq 1} |f(t) - g(t)| < \varepsilon[/tex] and [tex]g(0) =<br /> 0[/tex]. Then [tex]|f(0) - g(0)| = |f(0)|<br /> > 0[/tex] since [tex]f(0) \ne 0[/tex] and [tex]\displaystyle d_{\infty}(f,g) = \max_{0<br /> \leq t \leq 1} f(t) - g(t)| \geq |f(0)|[/tex]. For [tex]\varepsilon<br /> \leq |f(0)|[/tex] this results in a contradiction with the assumption
that [tex]d_{\infty}(f,g) < \varepsilon[/tex]. What about [tex]\varepsilon > |f(0)|[/tex]? Is this on the right track at all?
 
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Think about it like this: picking a function g(x) close to f(x) is like wiggling each individual value of f(x) a little bit (with some continuity constraints). It doesn't really matter how you wiggle any point except for at 0 (because that's the only place Y is defined). How can you change f(x) at 0 to make it leave Y? By making g(0)=0 of course. So to prevent that, what restriction should you put on your ability to wiggle f(x) at 0?
 
Ok, it's not entirely wrong, but it's messy:

f is an interior point of Y, then Y is open in (...)

This is not true: there are many sets with interior points that are not open sets, which means that all its points are interior. It's not clear if you're trying to say that you want to prove that all points are interior, or if you' are assuming that the set is open (you want to prove this).

After this, your argument needs a little cleaning, but it's basically correct.
 
Thank you to both of you. But I still don't know how to finish the proof.

If the argument is correct. How can I show a contradiction for the case [tex]\varepsilon > |f(0)|[/tex] ?
 
You can't. Your value for epsilon is too large. Think about my suggestion some more:

If you change the value of f(0) by f(0), you get g(0)=0 which doesn't lie in Y. So what should your restriction be on how much f(0) can change by?
 
Office_Shredder said:
You can't. Your value for epsilon is too large. Think about my suggestion some more:

If you change the value of f(0) by f(0), you get g(0)=0 which doesn't lie in Y. So what should your restriction be on how much f(0) can change by?

The restriction should be that [tex]f(0)[/tex] cannot be wiggled as much as
[tex]|f(0)|[/tex]. But this restriction is what the original set builder for [tex]Y[/tex] specified. How does this directly prove that every [tex]g[/tex] inside some [tex]\varepsilon > 0[/tex] neighborhood of [tex]y[/tex] is inside [tex]Y[/tex]? I must be missing some piece of the logic.
 
If f(0) can't be wiggled more than |f(0)|, then wouldn't it make sense to require that all of f(x) can't be wiggled by more than |f(0)|? Then what value of epsilon would that correspond to?
 
Office_Shredder said:
If f(0) can't be wiggled more than |f(0)|, then wouldn't it make sense to require that all of f(x) can't be wiggled by more than |f(0)|? Then what value of epsilon would that correspond to?

Aghh, so [tex]\varepsilon[/tex] has to be less than [tex]|f(0)|[/tex] and I don't need to show a contradiction for the case of [tex]\varepsilon > |f(0)|[/tex]. This is the missing logic in my solution. Thank you so much for your patience and time.
 

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