Prove Orthogonal Vectors: x ⊥ u and v implies x ⊥ u - v

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The discussion revolves around proving that if vector x is orthogonal to vectors u and v, then x is also orthogonal to the vector difference u - v. The subject area pertains to vector algebra and properties of orthogonality, particularly involving the dot product.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between orthogonality and the dot product, with some suggesting the use of properties of the dot product to establish the proof. Questions arise about how to articulate the reasoning more clearly and the need for a formal proof.

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Several participants have provided insights into using the dot product to demonstrate the relationship between the vectors. There is an ongoing exploration of how to frame the proof formally, with some expressing confusion about the implementation of the dot product properties.

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Some participants mention the need for clarity in writing and understanding the proof, indicating a desire to balance formal proof with intuitive understanding. There is also a reference to the potential for overthinking the problem.

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If x is ⊥ u and v, then x is ⊥ u - v.

I know this is true because u - v is in the same place as u and v; therefore, x is orthogonal. How can this be written better?
 
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Use the property of the dot product that a dot (b+c) = a dot b + a dot c
 
Dustinsfl said:
If x is ⊥ u and v, then x is ⊥ u - v.

I know this is true because u - v is in the same place as u and v; therefore, x is orthogonal. How can this be written better?

"is in the same plane as u and v..."

Dot product?
 
I understand the dot product needs to be used to do this (VeeEight and Mark) but I don't know how to implement it correctly.
 
If two vectors are orthogonal, what is their dot product?
 
I got it <x,v>=0, <x,u>=0

<x,u-v>=<x,u>-<x,v>=0-0=0
 
If x ⊥ u, how can you say the same thing using the dot product. You don't have to "implement" anything - just use the dot product.
 
Dustinsfl said:
I got it <x,v>=0, <x,u>=0

<x,u-v>=<x,u>-<x,v>=0-0=0
OK, then what does this say about x and u - v?
 
Dustinsfl said:
I got it <x,v>=0, <x,u>=0

<x,u-v>=<x,u>-<x,v>=0-0=0

:smile:
 
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VeeEight said:
Use the property of the dot product that a dot (b+c) = a dot b + a dot c

VeeEight said:
:smile:

I was thinking more of proof then doing.
 
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Dustinsfl said:
I was thinking more of proof then doing.

:confused:
 
  • #12
VeeEight said:
:confused:
I second that.
 
  • #13
I was thinking of a formal proof then just doing <x..> ... =0
 
  • #14
Dustinsfl said:
I was thinking of a formal proof then just doing <x..> ... =0
That is a formal proof. Don't overthink this stuff at the expense of understanding what's going on.
 
  • #15
Use the linearity of the dot product ( , ) so,

(x,u)=(u,x)=0 and (x,v)=(v,x)=0,
So consider,
(u-v,x)=(u,x)-(v,x)=0 => (x,u-v)=0.
 

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