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The discussion revolves around the relationship between probability density functions and the probability of a random variable falling within an infinitesimally small interval. Participants are exploring the expression Pr(t

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  • One participant requests proof that Pr(t
  • Another participant questions the limits of integration, suggesting that the expression f(t)dt requires constraints on the upper and lower limits.
  • Some participants clarify that the probability density function is defined through integrals, specifically P(a< x< b)= ∫_a^b f(x)dx, and relate this to the differential form mentioned in Wikipedia.
  • There is a discussion about the approximation ∫_a^{a+h} f(x)dx ≈ f(a)h when h is infinitely small, with one participant suggesting this holds under the assumption of continuity of f.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of understanding the mean value theorem in relation to the approximation and cautions against assuming continuity without justification.
  • One participant suggests that the expression is a method for transitioning from sums to integrals and mentions Stieltjes integration as a broader framework for probabilities and expectations.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the relationship between probability density functions and infinitesimal intervals. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the original statement or the conditions under which it holds true.

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Participants note the importance of continuity in the probability density function for certain approximations to hold. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the limits of integration, which remains unresolved.

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Hi

Could anyone show to me that:

If dt is an infinitely small number, the probability that X is included within the interval (t, t + dt) is equal to f(t) dt ,i.e.
[itex]Pr(t<X<t+dt) = f(t)dt[/itex]
where f is the probability density function.

this sentence is from wikipedia but I could not prove this to myself.

Thanks if anyone can help.
 
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What are the limits of your integral? You can't really make sense of f(t)dt without some kind of constraint on the upper and lower limits.
 
chiro said:
What are the limits of your integral? You can't really make sense of f(t)dt without some kind of constraint on the upper and lower limits.

here dt is an infinitely small number. and i don't think the RHS is an integral.

maybe you can refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_density_function#Further_details

the last line of the Further details
 
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The probability density function, f, is defined by the fact that
[tex]P(a< x< b)= \int_a^b f(x)dx[/tex]
or, equivalently,
[tex]P(a< x< a+h)= \int_a^{a+h} f(x)dx[/tex]

What Wikipedia gives is a "differential" form of that.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The probability density function, f, is defined by the fact that
[tex]P(a< x< b)= \int_a^b f(x)dx[/tex]
or, equivalently,
[tex]P(a< x< a+h)= \int_a^{a+h} f(x)dx[/tex]

What Wikipedia gives is a "differential" form of that.

Thanks HallsofIvy for your reply.

I was trying to work out why
[tex]\int_a^{a+h} f(x)dx= f(a)h[/tex]
when h infinitely small.

Could you tell me more about why this is true? or could you explain the differential form? I am still not fully understand yet.
 
rukawakaede said:
Thanks HallsofIvy for your reply.

I was trying to work out why
[tex]\int_a^{a+h} f(x)dx= f(a)h[/tex]
when h infinitely small.
First off, you almost surely do not mean much of what you said literally. You should spend some time thinking about what you actually meant
Anyways, if by "=" you meant "is approximately" and by "infinitely small" you meant "sufficiently small", it's true because of the mean value theorem and the definition of continuous function.

(P.S. if f is not assumed to be continuous, then the equation above is very false)
 
rukawakaede said:
Hi

Could anyone show to me that:

If dt is an infinitely small number, the probability that X is included within the interval (t, t + dt) is equal to f(t) dt ,i.e.
[itex]Pr(t<X<t+dt) = f(t)dt[/itex]
where f is the probability density function.

this sentence is from wikipedia but I could not prove this to myself.

Thanks if anyone can help.

It's just a (dodgy) method for turning sums into integrals. In the long run it's worthwhile to learn Stieltjes integration so you can write probabilities and expectations as
[tex]E[g(X)] = \int_R g(x)dF(x)[/tex]
which is valid whether or not the distribution F(x) has a density.
 

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