Prove that a perfect square is a multiple of some number?

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The discussion revolves around proving that every perfect square is either a multiple of 3 or one more than a multiple of 3. Participants are examining the implications of this statement and exploring the definitions and cases related to perfect squares and their relationship with multiples of 3.

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  • Participants discuss the cases for natural integers in relation to multiples of 3, questioning the validity of the proof provided. They explore the definitions of perfect squares and their classifications based on their relationship to multiples of 3.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the nature of perfect squares and their classifications. Some participants have offered guidance on interpreting the cases, while others are questioning assumptions and definitions, leading to a deeper exploration of the topic.

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There is some confusion regarding the inclusion of 0 and 1 as perfect squares and their classifications as multiples of 3 or one more than a multiple of 3. Participants are also considering the implications of negative integers and their relevance to the discussion.

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How do you prove that: Every perfect square is either a multiple of 3 or one more than a multiple of 3?

There is something very basic that I don't seem to understand in the question.

Here is proof that someone gave me:

Every natural integer p must fall in one of the following case:
♠ p is a multiple of 3 and can be expressed as p=3n
♣ p is 1 more than a multiple of 3 and can be expressed as p=3n+1
♥ p is 1 less than a multiple of 3 and can be expressed as p=3n–1

Then obviously:

♠ If p=3n:
p² = (3n)² = 9n²
and p is naturally a multiple of 3.

♣ If p=3n+1:
p² = (3n + 1)² = 9n² + 6n + 1 = 3(3n² + 2n) + 1
and p² is logically 1 more than a multiple of 3.

♥ If p=3n–1:
p² = (3n – 1)² = 9n² – 6n + 1 = 3(3n² – 2n) + 1
and p² is logically 1 more than a multiple of 3.

So we have proved that any perfect square is:
either a multiple of 3,
or one more than a multiple of 3.


But what I don't understand is: 0 and 1 are also perfect squares but they are not multiples of 3. Then how can we say that every perfect square is a multiple of 3 or one more than a multiple of 3? maybe it's when we set p = 3n is what's confusing me.
 
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0 is a "multiple of three"- it is 3(0). And 1 is, of course, "one more than a multiple of 3".
 
Hello John,

0 = 3\cdot 0, so 0 is a multiple of 3.

1 = 0 + 1 = 3\cdot 0 + 1

J.
 
So in a way does it mean:

3k + 1 = a number that is 1 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is two less than a factor of 3?

3k + 2 = a number that is 2 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is one less than a factor of 3?
 
John112 said:
So in a way does it mean:

3k + 1 = a number that is 1 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is two less than a factor of 3?

3k + 2 = a number that is 2 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is one less than a factor of 3?

Yes. 1 bigger than a multiple of 3 is two less than the next higher multiple of 3.

Ditto for the second one.
 
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John112 said:
So in a way does it mean:

3k + 1 = a number that is 1 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is two less than a factor of 3?

3k + 2 = a number that is 2 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is one less than a factor of 3?

Curious3141 said:
Yes. 1 bigger than a factor of 3 is two less than the next higher factor of 3.

Ditto for the second one.
Multiple!
 
So in a way does it mean:

3k + 1 = a number that is 1 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is two less than a factor of 3?

3k + 2 = a number that is 2 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is one less than a factor of 3?

For k \geq 0,
so using n = 3k , we create all numbers like 0,3,6,9,12,15,18,...
using n = 3k + 1: we create all numbers like 1,4,7,10,13,16,19...
using n = 3k + 2: we create all numbers like 2,5,8,11,14,17,20,...

For k < 0,
using n = -3k + 2, we create all numbers like -1, -4, -7, ...
using n = -3k + 1, we create all numbers like -2, -5, -8, ...
using n = -3k, we create all numbers like -3, -6, -9, ...Therefore we have all the possible numbers such that n \in Z.

So,n^{2} \Rightarrow We are finding the perfect square of all integers.

Therefore, every perfect square is a multiple of 3 or one more than multiple of 3 because we created such a function f(n) = 3k + C such that all perfect squares were created as multiples of
3 plus a constant.

Am I correct in my reasoning?
 
John112 said:
So in a way does it mean:

3k + 1 = a number that is 1 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is two less than a factor of 3?

3k + 2 = a number that is 2 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is one less than a factor of 3?
Multiple!
 
oay said:
Multiple!

Heh, brain fart. :biggrin:
 
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John112 said:
So in a way does it mean:

3k + 1 = a number that is 1 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is two less than a factor of 3?

3k + 2 = a number that is 2 bigger than a factor of 3 or a number that is one less than a factor of 3?

For k \geq 0,
so using n = 3k , we create all numbers like 0,3,6,9,12,15,18,...
using n = 3k + 1: we create all numbers like 1,4,7,10,13,16,19...
using n = 3k + 2: we create all numbers like 2,5,8,11,14,17,20,...

OK so far, except we both seem to be afflicted by a strange malady where we refer to multiples as factors. I'm blaming you - I seem to have caught it from you. :biggrin:

For k < 0,
using n = -3k + 2, we create all numbers like -1, -4, -7, ...
using n = -3k + 1, we create all numbers like -2, -5, -8, ...
using n = -3k, we create all numbers like -3, -6, -9, ...

Not quite correct. For one thing, if k is already negative, you don't have to change the expression to "-3*k", etc. since that will just make the whole thing positive again. For another (this is not wrong, just redundant), you really you don't have to bother with the negative integers here - since the positive square roots of the forms 3k, 3k+1 and 3k-1 (or 3k+2, which is equivalent) would already have covered all the cases. What extra info are you adding by considering the negative square roots? When they're squared, they'll equal the same thing.

Therefore we have all the possible numbers such that n \in Z.

So,n^{2} \Rightarrow We are finding the perfect square of all integers.

Or we're finding all the forms a perfect square can take, since a perfect square is, by definition, the square of an integer.

Therefore, every perfect square is a multiple of 3 or one more than multiple of 3 because we created such a function f(n) = 3k + C such that all perfect squares were created as multiples of
3 plus a constant.

This part is unclear, and unnecessary. Why talk about introducing functions and "plus a constant", etc.? The foregoing is already clear enough.
 

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