Prove that a set is an open set

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The problem involves demonstrating that the set defined by the inequality {(x,y) ∈ ℝ² | 1 < x² + y² < 7} is an open set in the context of metric spaces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss visualizing the set as a "donut" shape and explore the implications of the boundaries not being included. Questions arise about the definition of open sets and the existence of a radius for open balls around points in the set.

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Some participants have provided insights into proving the openness of the set by considering the properties of open balls and the triangle inequality. There is an ongoing exploration of methods to show that both parts of the inequality (x² + y² < 7 and 1 < x² + y²) are open sets.

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Participants note the need to prove that a suitable radius exists for each point in the set, and there is mention of separating the problem into two sets to utilize the property that the intersection of open sets is open.

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Homework Statement



Show that {(x,y)ℝ^2/1<x^2+y^2<7} is an open set.


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Sometimes a picture helps me a lot with these kinds of problems, so let's try and see what this set looks like.

Well, we know that x^2 + y^2 is the points distance from the origin squared, so it should look something like a donut with outer radius \sqrt{7} and inner radius 1. Also, since those are not equal, the boundaries there are not contained in this set.

There are a couple different definitions for open, but when talking about metric spaces, to say a set is open typically means that for any point in the set, you can find an open ball around that point that is contained within the set. So, if I were to give you a point \left( x, y \right) in this donut, could you find a radius small enough such that a ball of that radius centered at that point was entirely contained in the donut?
 
I think r < min {√7-|(x,y)| ; |(x,y)| - 1} works.

I tried to separate the problem in two sets, because the intersection of two open sets is an open set, and proved that x^2+y^2<7 is open, but the method I used with that proof don't work with the set 1 < x^2 + y^2
 
That radius r is good. You may need to also prove that such an r > 0 exists for each (x, y) in the set, but that shouldn't be too bad.

Also, what method did you use to show that x^2 + y^2 < 7 is open?
 
if B(x,y) is an open ball with center (x,y) and radius r, i show that if (a,b) belongs to the ball B, then (a,b) belongs to the set, so a^2 + b^2 < 7

|(a,b)| = |(a,b) - (x,y) + (x,y)| = |(a-x, b-y) + (x,y)| ≤ |(a-x, b-y)| + |(x,y)|

|(a-x, b-y)| < r, so

|(a-x, b-y)| + |(x,y)| < r + |(x,y)|

r = √7 - |(x,y)|, so

r + |(x,y)| = √7 - |(x,y)| + |(x,y)| = √7

Finally, I get

|(a,b)| < √7

√(a^2 + b^2) < √7

a^2 + b^2 < 7

and that proves that if (a,b) is in the ball then (a,b) is in the set x^2 + y^2 < 7
 
Okay, well the proof that \left\{ \left( x, y \right) \in \mathbb{R}^{2} : x^{2} + y^{2} &gt; 1 \right\} should be similar.

Perhaps if you consider that \left| \left( x, y \right) \right| &lt; \left| \left( x, y \right) - \left( a, b \right) + \left( a, b \right) \right|. It's similar to what you were using before, but you're using the triangle inequality in a different order.
 
I solved it that way! Thanks!
 

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