Prove that dirichlet function is periodic

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The discussion revolves around proving that the Dirichlet function is periodic. Participants explore the characteristics of the function, its behavior with respect to rational and irrational numbers, and the implications of periodicity in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in proving the periodicity of the Dirichlet function, which is identified as the characteristic function of the rationals.
  • Another participant suggests proving that if \(x\) is rational, then \(x + 1\) is rational, and if \(x\) is irrational, then \(x + 1\) is irrational, as a step towards establishing periodicity.
  • There is a proposal that this would demonstrate the function is periodic with a period of 1, but questions arise about whether there is a fundamental (smallest positive) period.
  • Discussion includes the possibility of using a rational constant \(c\) instead of 1 in the periodicity argument.
  • A later reply mentions the function's lack of continuity and its implications for Riemann integrability, suggesting further exploration of periodic functions with arbitrarily small periods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of periodicity for the Dirichlet function, with no consensus reached on the existence of a fundamental period or the implications of using different constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the function's properties, such as being nowhere continuous and not Riemann integrable over any compact interval, which may influence the discussion on periodicity.

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Hey,

I need to prove that dirichlet function is a periodic function,
but i got no idea how to start solving the question.
could anyone help please?
 
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Do you mean the characteristic function of the rationals,
\[
f(x) =
\begin{cases}
1& (x \in \mathbb{Q})\\
0& (x \not\in \mathbb{Q})
\end{cases}
\]
?
 
Krylov said:
Do you mean the characteristic function of the rationals,
\[
f(x) =
\begin{cases}
1& (x \in \mathbb{Q})\\
0& (x \not\in \mathbb{Q})
\end{cases}
\]
?

yes
 
Can you prove that if $x$ is rational, then $x + 1$ is rational?
Can you prove that if $x$ is irrational, then $x + 1$ is irrational?
 
That would be sufficient to show that f is "periodic with period 1". Is there a "fundamental" (smallest positive) period?
 
What about a rational constant, say $c$, in the place of $1$?
 
greg1313 said:
What about a rational constant, say $c$, in the place of $1$?

That would have been my next question...

HallsofIvy said:
That would be sufficient to show that f is "periodic with period 1". Is there a "fundamental" (smallest positive) period?

...and that the question after that (Nod)

I hope the OP still comes back. This function provides a nice exercise. Once the above is done, he could try to go on by proving (without looking it up somewhere) that this function is nowhere continuous, hence not Riemann integrable over any compact interval.

On the other hand, he could also investigate what a continuous function looks like when it is periodic with arbitrarily small periods.
 

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