Prove that no group of order 160 is simple

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Homework Statement


Prove that no group of order 160 is simple.

Homework Equations


Sylow Theorems, Cauchy's Theorem, Lagrange's Theorem.

The Attempt at a Solution


Because [itex]160 = 2^5×5[/itex], by the First Sylow theorem, there is a subgroup [itex]H[/itex] of order [itex]2^5 = 32[/itex] in [itex]G[/itex]. Let [itex]S[/itex] be the set of all left-cosets of [itex]H[/itex] (as of now, it may not be a group). By Lagrange's Theorem, [itex]|S| = [G<img src="/styles/physicsforums/xenforo/smilies/arghh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":H" title="Gah! :H" data-shortname=":H" />] = |G|/|H| = 5[/itex]. Consider the set [itex]S' = \{H, gH, g^2H, g^3H, g^4H\}[/itex] where [itex]g[/itex] has order 5 (by Cauchy's Theorem there exists a subgroup of order 5 in [itex]G[/itex]). [itex]S' \subseteq S[/itex] because it consists of (not necessarily distinct) left-cosets of [itex]H[/itex]. But suppose [itex]g^iH = g^jH[/itex] for some [itex]0≤i, j≤4[/itex]. Then by basic theorems of cosets, [itex]g^i * (g^j)^{-1} = g^{i-j} \in H[/itex]. But [itex]g[/itex] has order a power of 5, and [itex]H[/itex] only contains elements of order power of 2, so [itex]g^{i-j} = e[/itex] and [itex]g^i = g^j[/itex]. This proves that all elements of [itex]S'[/itex] are distinct, and since [itex]|S| = |S'| = 5[/itex] and [itex]S' \subseteq S[/itex], [itex]S = S'[/itex].

We have proven that the set of all cosets of [itex]H[/itex] is [itex]S = \{H, gH, g^2H, g^3H, g^4H\}[/itex]. But this set forms a group under coset multiplication, as can be verified from the axioms for a group. Here the less obvious part is to show the multiplication is well-defined. But every coset can be written in a unique way as [itex]g^iH, 0≤i≤4[/itex] so the result of the multiplication [itex]g^iH * g^jH = g^{i+j}H[/itex] is always well-defined. The operation obviously respects closure, since [itex]g^{i+j}H[/itex] is a coset of [itex]H[/itex]. The identity and inverses are also easy to find, and associativity follows from associativity of addition in [itex]\mathbb{Z}_5[/itex].

From this, it follows that the set of left-cosets of [itex]H[/itex] forms a group under coset multiplication, and it is the quotient group [itex]G/H[/itex]. But quotient groups are defined if and only if [itex]H[/itex] is a normal subgroup, which proves [itex]H[/itex] is a nontrivial, proper normal subgroup of [itex]G[/itex]. Therefore, [itex]G[/itex] is not simple.
 
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I can't find any mistakes after re-reading my proof, but for some reason the proof looks fishy to me. The reason is that I prove a subgroup H is normal in G by actually proving the quotient group G/H exists. Usually, we first prove that a group is normal, and then we define the quotient group. It may work, but I would like to have some confirmation in case I overlooked something. When I think about it, it looks even more suspicious because the same argument would show that every subgroup that has a prime number of cosets is a normal subgroup. I don't know if that is true.
 
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Ah I think I found where the problem is!
My mistake was to define the coset multiplication only for one specific coset representative. It is true that [itex]g^iH * g^jH = g^{i+j}H[/itex], but if I chose different coset representatives, [itex]aH = g^iH, bH = g^jH[/itex] then [itex]aH * bH[/itex] is not necessarily [itex](ab)H[/itex] because [itex]ab[/itex] might not be another coset representative of [itex]g^{i+j}H[/itex].

In this case I admit I am lost on this question. Also, sorry for the multiple posts, but I can't edit the previous posts anymore.