Prove that V is the internal direct sum of two subspaces

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The discussion revolves around the concept of internal direct sums in vector spaces, specifically examining the conditions under which a vector space V can be expressed as the internal direct sum of two subspaces U1 and U2. Participants explore the implications of uniqueness in the representation of vectors as sums of elements from these subspaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define the internal direct sum condition as requiring that every vector in V can be uniquely expressed as a sum of vectors from U1 and U2.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of uniqueness, with some participants asserting that if two representations of a vector exist, the subspaces must overlap.
  • One participant suggests that non-uniqueness can be illustrated with an example from arithmetic, questioning the significance of uniqueness in the context of vector spaces.
  • Another participant argues that while U1 and U2 may overlap, they do not have to be identical, indicating that their intersection can be a nontrivial vector space.
  • There is a request for clarification on the concept of a vector space of dimension at least 1, indicating some participants may not fully grasp the implications of this terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of uniqueness in the context of internal direct sums, and there is no consensus on whether the overlap of subspaces implies they are identical. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the dimension of vector spaces and the nature of their intersections, indicating that further clarification on these mathematical concepts may be necessary for full understanding.

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Let V be a vector space. If U 1 and U2 are subspaces of V s.t. U1+U2 = V and U1 and U1∩U2 = {0V}, then we say that V is the internal direct sum of U1 and U2. In this case we write V = U1⊕U2. Show that V is internal direct sum of U1 and U2if and only if every vector in V may be written uniquely in the form v1+v2 with v1∈U1 and v2∈ U2.

What does it mean to be unique? Does it matter if it is unique?
 
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Austin Chang said:
What does it mean to be unique?
It means that for any vector ##u\in V##, if ##w_1+w_2=u=v_1+v_2##, for ##w_1,v_1\in U_1## and ##w_2,v_2\in U_2##, then ##v_1=w_1## and ##v_2=w_2##.

Yes, the uniqueness matters. If the two subspaces overlap, there is more than one way of writing a vector in ##V## as a sum of two vectors one from each subspace. And vice versa, if the representation as a sum is not unique, the two subspaces must overlap.
 
andrewkirk said:
It means that for any vector ##u\in V##, if ##w_1+w_2=u=v_1+v_2##, for ##w_1,v_1\in U_1## and ##w_2,v_2\in U_2##, then ##v_1=w_1## and ##v_2=w_2##.

Yes, the uniqueness matters. If the two subspaces overlap, there is more than one way of writing a vector in ##V## as a sum of two vectors one from each subspace. And vice versa, if the representation as a sum is not unique, the two subspaces must overlap.
So for your example if it was not unique U2 = U1 and you can write w1 in U2 and w2 in U1? therefore w2+w1 is not unique anymore because the same things came from different subspaces?
 
Austin Chang said:
Let V be a vector space. If U 1 and U2 are subspaces of V s.t. U1+U2 = V and U1 and U1∩U2 = {0V}, then we say that V is the internal direct sum of U1 and U2. In this case we write V = U1⊕U2. Show that V is internal direct sum of U1 and U2if and only if every vector in V may be written uniquely in the form v1+v2 with v1∈U1 and v2∈ U2.

What does it mean to be unique? Does it matter if it is unique?

Perhaps an example of non-uniqueness will make this clear. You can represent 12 as the product of two factors ##12 = x_1 x_2## but the two factors are not unique since they and be chosen to have various different values - e.g. (12)(1), (4)(3), (2)(6) etc.

As whether uniqueness matters - that's a subjective question. Uniqueness is often a convenient property to have. For example, the rigorous approach to defining "a" zero z_1 in arithmetic would be to define it by the property that for all numbers x, z1 + x = x. It is convenient that there is a unique number, denoted by "0", that has this property. If there were several unequal zeroes, arithmetic would be more complicated.
 
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Austin Chang said:
So for your example if it was not unique U2 = U1
No, that would be going too far. U2 and U1 will overlap nontrivially, but that doesn't mean they are identical. All it means that their intersection is a vector space of dimension at least 1.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Perhaps an example of non-uniqueness will make this clear. You can represent 12 as the product of two factors ##12 = x_1 x_2## but the two factors are not unique since they and be chosen to have various different values - e.g. (12)(1), (4)(3), (2)(6) etc.

As whether uniqueness matters - that's a subjective question. Uniqueness is often a convenient property to have. For example, the rigorous approach to defining "a" zero z_1 in arithmetic would be to define it by the property that for all numbers x, z1 + x = x. It is convenient that there is a unique number, denoted by "0", that has this property. If there were several unequal zeroes, arithmetic would be more complicated.
Thanks! That was a good example.
 
andrewkirk said:
No, that would be going too far. U2 and U1 will overlap nontrivially, but that doesn't mean they are identical. All it means that their intersection is a vector space of dimension at least 1.
What do you mean by at least a vector space of dimension 1? I don't think I've gotten that far to understand it completely. Could you elaborate?
 
Austin Chang said:
What do you mean by a vector space of dimension at least 1?
A vector space that is not just ##\{0_V\}##.
 

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