Prove the hyperbolic function corresponding to the given trigonometric function

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship between hyperbolic functions and their trigonometric counterparts, specifically the equation involving \(8 \sin^4 u\) and its hyperbolic equivalent \(8 \sinh^4 u\). Participants explore the connections and transformations between these functions.

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  • Some participants attempt to manipulate the given equations to demonstrate equivalence, while others question the validity of the problem's setup and the relationships between trigonometric and hyperbolic functions. There are discussions about using Euler's formula and the implications of substituting trigonometric identities.

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  • #31
robphy said:
...Must improve before it can be proved.

(A variant of #6 )
Since \sin (ix) = i \sinh (x),
then \sin (x) = i \sinh (x/i) = i \sinh (-ix)= -i\sinh(ix) = -i\sinh(u) where u=ix.
check: \displaystyle \sin(x)=\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}=-i \left(\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2}\right) \stackrel{u=ix}{=}-i \left(\frac{e^{u}-e^{-u}}{2}\right) =-i\sinh(u)​

And since \cos ix = \cosh (x),
then \cos x = \cosh (x/i)= \cosh(-ix) =\cosh(ix) = \cosh(u) where u=ix.
check: \displaystyle \cos(x)=\frac{e^{ix}+e^{-ix}}{2} \stackrel{u=ix}{=} \left(\frac{e^{u}+e^{-u}}{2}\right) =\cosh(u)​

my revisions in redSo,
\begin{align*}
8 \sin^4x &= 3-4\cos 2x+\cos 4x\\
8 \color{red}{(-i \sinh u)}^4 &= 3-4(\color{red}{\cosh 2u})+(\color{red}{\cosh 4u})\\
8 (-i)^4 \sinh^4 u &= \\
8 \phantom{XX} \sinh^4 u &= \\
8 \sinh^4 u &= 3-4\cosh 2u+\cosh 4u\\
&= \ldots\\
&\ \ \vdots\\
\end{align*}
Because (-i)^4=1 (ref: #17 ), you were lucky that you never saw the problem.

In general, one might not be so lucky. (Ref: #2 )
\begin{align*}
1 &= \cos^2 x +\sin^2x \\
&= \color{red}{(\cosh u)}^2 + \color{red}{(-i \sinh u)}^2 \\
&=\cosh^2 u +(-i)^2 \sinh^2 u \\
&=\cosh^2 u +(-1) \sinh^2 u \\
&=\cosh^2 u - \sinh^2 u \\
\end{align*}
which is not what one gets by
replacing [incorrectly] "##\sin x## with ##\sinh x## and ##\cos x## with ##\cosh x##".
check: ##\displaystyle \sin(x)=\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}=-i \left(\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2}\right)##

just to be absolutely clear on the referenced...you multiplied the left hand side by ##-i## to arrive at the right hand side. Correct?
 
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  • #32
chwala said:
check: ##\displaystyle \sin(x)=\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i}=-i \left(\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2}\right)##

just to be absolutely clear on the referenced...you multiplied the left hand side by ##-i## to arrive at the right hand side. Correct?

I multiplied by 1 = \frac{-i}{-i}.
 
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  • #33
robphy said:
To me, the question sounds odd.

How would you answer the question if the given equation were
$$1=\cos^2 u +\sin^2 u$$
instead?
I guess the idea is to use
$$\cosh u=\cos(\mathrm{i} u), \quad \sinh u=-\mathrm{i} \sin(\mathrm{i} u).$$
This gives
$$1=\cos^2(\mathrm{i} u) + \sin^2(\mathrm{i} u)=\cosh^2 u-\sinh^2 u.$$
;-)).
 
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