Proving 3n > n^3 for n > 3 using Induction

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \(3^n > n^3\) for \(n > 3\) using mathematical induction. Participants are exploring the structure of the proof and the necessary steps to establish the base case and inductive step.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the initial assumption for \(n=4\) and the subsequent steps required for \(n+1\). There are attempts to manipulate expressions to compare \(3^{n+1}\) with \((n+1)^3\). Some participants question how to effectively transition from \(k^3 + k^3 + k^3\) to the expansion of \((k+1)^3\) and whether certain inequalities hold for \(k > 3\).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and exploring different lines of reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the comparison of terms, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or the validity of certain inequalities.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can employ. There is an emphasis on proving the statement for \(n \ge 4\) specifically.

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3n>n3 where n >3

I know I have to use proof by induction to solve this.
assume for f(4)is true
for f(n+1)=3n+1>3n3

However after that I don't have a clue of how to getting it into (n+1)3
Any hints will be greatly apperciated
 
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Let

<br /> A_n <br />

be the statement

<br /> 3^n &gt; n^3<br />

You want to show A_n is true for n \ge 4.

It shouldn't be hard to show A_4 is true. Assume it is true for k \ge 4.

Now

<br /> 3^{3+1} = 3 \cdot 3 ^k &gt; 3 \cdot k^3 = k^3 + k^3 + k^3<br />

Now play with the terms on the right, making the new expressions ever smaller, to build up to the expansion of (k+1)^3.

(Hint for a start: You know by hypothesis k \ge 4 &gt; 3, so
<br /> k^3 = k \cdot k^2 &gt; 3k^2<br />
which is the second term in the expansion of (k+1)^3)
 
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statdad said:
Let

<br /> A_n <br />

be the statement

<br /> 3^n &gt; n^3<br />

You want to show A_n is true for n \ge 4.

It shouldn't be hard to show A_4 is true. Assume it is true for k \ge 4.

Now

<br /> 3^{3+1} = 3 \cdot 3 ^k &gt; 3 \cdot k^3 = k^3 + k^3 + k^3<br />

Now play with the terms on the right, making the new expressions ever smaller, to build up to the expansion of (k+1)^3.

(Hint for a start: You know by hypothesis k \ge 4 &gt; 3, so
<br /> k^3 = k \cdot k^2 &gt; 3k^2<br />
which is the second term in the expansion of (k+1)^3)
Sorry for the late reply
This is th best I could get at:

3n>n3
For n+1=
3n+1>3n

given n>3 , I found the following:

  • n3>3n2
  • n2>3n
  • n-2>1
with the best intentions I did the following:

Added all them up and got
n3>3n2+3n+1-n2-n+2--(1)
3n+1-2n3>n3--(2)

from 1 and 2
3n+1-2n3>3n2+3n+1-n2-n+2

3n+1+n2+n-2-n3>(n+1)3

But after that I am stuck it would be great some one could help. thnx
 
anyone?
 
Statdad showed that you could get to k^3+ k^3+ k^3 and you want to compare that to (k+1)^3= k^3+ 3k^2+ 3k+ 1. Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k^2 when k> 3? Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k+ 1 when k> 3?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Statdad showed that you could get to k^3+ k^3+ k^3 and you want to compare that to (k+1)^3= k^3+ 3k^2+ 3k+ 1. Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k^2 when k> 3? Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k+ 1 when k> 3?

nope I can't .:cry:
 

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