Proving A Subset of Finite Group G

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The problem involves a subset A of a finite group G, where A contains more than half of the elements of G. The task is to prove that every element of G can be expressed as the product of two elements from A.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the statement, questioning the conditions under which it holds true. There is an exploration of examples and counterexamples, particularly concerning the structure of groups and the definition of binary operations. Some participants suggest considering cases based on the presence of the identity element in A.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and exploring various lines of reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of inverses in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify definitions and assumptions related to group operations.

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Participants note potential counterexamples and the necessity of defining binary operations between elements of different groups. There is also a mention of the implications of the identity element's presence in A on the proof's approach.

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[SOLVED] Larson 4.4.13

Homework Statement


A is a subset of a finite group G, and A contains more than one-half of the elements of G. Prove that each element of G is the product of two elements of A.


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Is that even true? What if G is just the union of the cyclic group with 20 elements and the cyclic group with 21 elements. Let A = C_21. ord(G) = 20+21-1=40. A has more than half of the elements of G but you cannot get any elements of the C_20 subgroup except the identity with a product of elements of the C_12 subgroup.
 
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The union of two groups? What binary operation are you giving it, i.e. how is C_20\cupC_21 a group?
 
Oh. I forgot that the binary operation has to be defined between elements of C_20 and C_21, not just within C_20 and within C_21.

Then it probably is true. Let me think about it.
 
ehrenfest said:
Oh. I forgot that the binary operation has to be defined between elements of C_20 and C_21, not just within C_20 and within C_21.

Then it probably is true. Let me think about it.

Do that. This is not the most difficult question you've posted by a long shot.
 
I assume that the two elements in the problem statement are not necessarily distinct. Otherwise, Z_11 and A = {0,1,2,3,4,5} is a counterexample because you cannot add any two distinct elements of A to get 10.

Let S be the set of all ordered 2-element subsets of A. S has |A|^2-|A| elements. |A|^2 > |G|^2/4-|G|/2. I want to show that at least |G| of the products of the of the two-element sets in A are distinct. This approach does not seem like it will work...

Maybe I should consider cases. If the e is in A, then any element a in A equal a*e. If e is not in A, I'm not really sure what to do...
 
Here's a hint: inverses are key.
 
morphism said:
Here's a hint: inverses are key.

Very nice hint. Short but helpful.

Let g be any element of G. Then the left coset g*A^{-1} has order greater than |G|/2, so it must intersect A, since A also has the same order. That means there must be elements in A, a_1 and a_2, such that g*a_1^{-1}=a_2. That is g=a_1*a_2.

Is that right?
 
Looks good to me (although I believe the word "coset" is reserved for subgroups)!
 

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