Proving an Abelian Group with 2 Elements of Order 2 has a Subgroup of Order 4

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The problem involves proving that an abelian group with two elements of order 2 must have a subgroup of order 4. The context is group theory, specifically focusing on properties of abelian groups and subgroup formation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the elements' orders and the definition of a subgroup. There is an exploration of what it means for a subset to be a subgroup and the necessary conditions for closure and inverses. Questions arise about the identification of elements within the group and the total count of distinct elements.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning assumptions about the elements and their relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding subgroup properties, but no consensus has been reached on how to demonstrate the existence of a subgroup of order 4.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of proving the existence of a subgroup of a specific order and the need to clarify the implications of the elements' orders and inverses. There is a recognition of the potential confusion surrounding the number of distinct elements in the group.

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Homework Statement


Prove that an abelian group with two elements of order 2 must have a subgroup of order 4


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The Attempt at a Solution


Let G be an abelian group ==> for every a,b that belong to G ab=ba.
Let a,b have order 2 ==> a^2 =e and b^2 = e. Since a belongs to G aa=a^2 belongs to G. Since b belongs to G bb= b^2 belongs to G. IE four elements ie order of a subgroup can be four.
 
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It's not enough to say there are four elements in G to prove that there is a subgroup of order 4. (Plus since a2=b2=e, you've only shown there are three elements in G.) Think about what "subgroup of order 4" means. What do you need to show to say that a subset of G is a subgroup of G and that its order is 4?
 
Um, what four elements have you singled out? I don't see how saying a^2 belongs to G and b^2 belongs to G helps, since we already know that both are equal to e, which obviously belongs to G since G is a group (and that's a single element).
 
vela said:
It's not enough to say there are four elements in G to prove that there is a subgroup of order 4. (Plus since a2=b2=e, you've only shown there are three elements in G.) Think about what "subgroup of order 4" means. What do you need to show to say that a subset of G is a subgroup of G and that its order is 4?

Well inorder to show something is a subgroup you have to show that it is closed under the operation and that if a belongs to the subgroup then a^-1 (inverse of a) belongs to the subgroup. but what i can't figure out is how to tie that into proving the sungroup has four elements in it. well wait. if a belongs to the subgroup, a inverse should belong there as well. the same goes for b and b inverse. so i guess that's four elements? atleast?
 
Again, you have to be careful here. If a^2 = e, what does this tell you about a^-1 (Hint: multiply both sides of the equation by a^-1)?
 
Suppose H is a subgroup that includes a and b. What other elements have to be in H?
 
snipez90 said:
Again, you have to be careful here. If a^2 = e, what does this tell you about a^-1 (Hint: multiply both sides of the equation by a^-1)?

that means a= a inverse which is not true
 
vela said:
Suppose H is a subgroup that includes a and b. What other elements have to be in H?

ab, a inverse and b inverse
 
188818881888 said:
that means a= a inverse which is not true
Why not?
 
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vela said:
Why not?

because in a group a(a^-1) must equal e. but if a^-1=a then a^2=e. ok so a should equal a^-1?
 

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