Proving Cauchy Sequences using the Definition

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The discussion revolves around proving that a sequence is a Cauchy sequence using its formal definition. Participants explore various approaches, examples, and implications of Cauchy sequences within different contexts, including metric spaces and convergence criteria.

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  • One participant asks how to prove a sequence is a Cauchy sequence using its definition, prompting responses that clarify the definition and its implications.
  • Another participant provides the formal definition of a Cauchy sequence and illustrates it with the example of the sequence {1/n}, discussing the convergence to 0 and the relationship between Cauchy sequences and convergent sequences.
  • Some participants mention that in a complete metric space, every Cauchy sequence converges, and they discuss the implications of this property for understanding completeness.
  • A participant presents a specific example involving the metric space ((-π/2, π/2), d) and demonstrates how to prove its completeness by relating it to the completeness of the real numbers.
  • Several participants engage in a problem involving a sequence defined by a recursive relation and explore how to show it is a Cauchy sequence using the triangle inequality and properties of geometric series.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about finding a corresponding n for a given ε in the context of the recursive sequence, indicating a focus on the conditions under which the sequence behaves as a Cauchy sequence.

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Participants generally agree on the definition of a Cauchy sequence and its implications in complete metric spaces. However, there are multiple approaches and examples discussed, indicating that the discussion remains exploratory without a single consensus on the best method for proving a sequence is Cauchy.

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Some participants note the importance of precision in proofs and the need to carefully handle the definitions and inequalities involved in demonstrating that a sequence is Cauchy. There are also references to the necessity of understanding the completeness of metric spaces, which may depend on the specific properties of the sequences being considered.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in mathematics and related fields who are interested in understanding the properties of Cauchy sequences, convergence, and completeness in metric spaces.

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Hey all, I've lurked on here and have found you all very useful and I have this question that is really bugging me.

How would you prove something is a cauchy sequence using tits definition.
 
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I am sorely tempted to say something about your typo but I will behave!

You prove ANYTHING "using its definition" by using the precise formulas and words in the definition.

The definition of "Cauchy sequence" is "{an} is a Cauchy sequence if and only if |an- am| goes to 0 as m and n go (independently) to infinity" or, in precise terms of the definition of limit, "{an} is a Cauchy sequence if and only if, given \epsilon &gt; 0, there exist a positive integer N such that if m and n are both greater than N then |an- am< \epsilon."

The "independently" part is in the fact that m and n can be any integers larger than N- you can't just prove it for, say, consecutive terms an and an+1.

If, for example, I wanted to prove that {1/n} is a Cauchy sequence, I would look at |1/n- 1/m|= |(m-n)/mn|. I would have to prove that that sequence converges to 0 as m and n go to infinity. I might do that by noting that |m-n|< m so |(m-n)/mn|< |m/mn|= |1/n|. To guarantee that that was "&lt; \epsilon" I would only have to ensure that N was larger than 1/\epsilon.

Of course, in that case, we are really proving that {1/n} goes to 0. It would be easier to prove that the original sequence converges and then use the fact that all convergent sequences are Cauchy sequences rather than use the definition.

The importance of Cauchy sequence is that, in the real numbers, every Cauchy sequence converges. Since we know that, to prove a sequence is a Cauchy sequence, we must prove something goes to 0, that can be used to prove a sequence converges even if we don't know what it converges to.
 
If any sequence in (X,d) is convergent, it is cauchy.

Use convergence of x(n) smaller than epsilon/2 and use triangle inequality. This proof still requires some precision, so be careful.

The idea of a Cauchy sequence is important is because it helps characterize completeness. If a sequence being cauchy implies it being convergent, the metric space is complete.
 
If you deal with the real space R, then any Cauchy sequence converges. But, if not, then you could solve the problem by comparing the metric space with another metric space that is complete, e.g. R. (Recall that a metric space is called complete if and only if every Cauchy sequence converges).

Example:

Prove that a metric space ((-pi/2, pi/2) , d) where d(x,y)=|tan x - tan y| is complete.

Let x_n be a Cauchy sequence in ((-pi/2, pi/2) , d). Then, since tan is a continuous function in (-pi/2, pi/2), tan x_n is a Cauchy sequence in the image space. In this case the image is just the whole R. Since R is complete, it follows that y_n = tan x_n converges to a point in R, say y, i.e. |y_n - y| < \epsilon. Let x = arctan y. Then
d(x_n, x) = |tan x_n - tan x| = |y_n - y| < \epsilon​
and so ((-pi/2, pi/2) , d) is complete.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I am sorely tempted to say something about your typo but I will behave!

What a geezer... (-;
 
How would you guys go about this one

If 0<r<1 and |x(n+1) - x(n)| < r ^n for all n. Show that x(n) is Cauchy sequence.
 
rohitmishra said:
How would you guys go about this one

If 0<r<1 and |x(n+1) - x(n)| < r ^n for all n. Show that x(n) is Cauchy sequence.

If someone gives you a number E > 0, can you find a corresponding n so that r^n < E ?
 
we have |x_(n+1)-x_n|<r ^n for all natural n and 0<r<1

we want te make |x_n-x_m|<ε by taking n and m sufficiently large. without loss of generality we can assume n<m. Then, defining k=m-n we have m=n+k so |x_n-x_m|=|x_n-x_(n+k)|

Now, using the triangle inequality this yields:

|x_n-x_m|=|x_n-x_(n+k)|=|x_n+(-x_(n+1)+x_(n+1))+(-x_(n+2)+x_(n+2))+...+(-n_(n+k-1)+x_(n+k-1)) -x_(n+k)|
≤|x_(n+1)-x_n|+|x_(n+2)-x_(n+1)|+...+|x_(n+k)-x_(n+k-1)|<r^n+r^(n+1)+...+r^(n+k-1)=1/r [r^(n+1)+r^(n+2)...+r^(m)]

Using m=n+k in the last step. But the sum in the brackets is just the cauchy part of the sum of a convergent geometric series. so we can make that expression less than anything we want. In particular, we have for all ε>0, there exists and N such that for all m>n≥N:

r^(n+1)+r^(n+2)+...+r^(m)<rε

using this same N, we have, for all ε>0 and m>n≥N

|x_n-x_m|≤1/r [r^(n+1)+r^(n+2)...+r^(m)]<rε/r=ε

And now we're done=)
 
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