Proving Divisibility of x, y and z by 5 in Modulo 5 Problem

  • Thread starter Thread starter doggie_Walkes
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving that if integers x, y, and z satisfy the equation 5*x^2 + y^2 = 7*z^2, then all three integers must be divisible by 5. The discussion centers around modular arithmetic, specifically modulo 5.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the modular properties of squares of integers and their implications on the equation. There is a focus on determining the possible values of the left-hand side (LHS) and right-hand side (RHS) of the equation in modulo 5.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified that both sides of the equation must equal 0 in modulo 5, leading to a discussion about the implications of this result. There is ongoing exploration regarding the divisibility by 25 and the conditions under which the equation has integer solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are questioning the assumptions regarding the divisibility of y and z, and how this relates to the overall equation. There is also mention of the possibility of expressing x, y, and z in terms of other integers, indicating a recursive approach to the problem.

doggie_Walkes
Messages
20
Reaction score
0
Well the problem is

Prove that if x, y, z are intergers such that 5*x^2 + y^2 = 7*z^2, then x, y and z are all divisble by 5.


So what I have done so far,

I have worked out 1, 2 ,3 , 4, and their squared to find that. the squared intergers of any interger will end in 0,1, 4 in modulo 5. (ps I am not sure if I am phrasing this write as well)

then the LHS would be 0, 1,4. whilst the right hand side will be 0, 2, 3.

now i don't know wher to go. can someone help me, or show me how to prove this.

would be greatly appreicated.

thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi doggie_Walkes! :wink:
doggie_Walkes said:
… then the LHS would be 0, 1,4. whilst the right hand side will be 0, 2, 3.

Yes! So both sides must be 0, and so … ? :smile:
 


thanks tiny tim for replying so quickly.

well I am checked the answer then its says this,

"the only possiblity is that y=z=0(mod5)

but then 5*x^2=7*z^2 - y^2 is divisble by 25, and so x is divisble by 5."



so i get why the obly possiblity is 0mod5 but why is it divisble by 25.

regards
 
Hi doggie_Walkes! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

ah, because if 5|y and 5|z, then 25|y2 and 25|z2 (and so 25|5x2) :wink:
 


Ah tiny tim, I get it! thanks that's bothering for some time, can i ask one more thing of you please. How would one go about doing this?

5x2+y2 = 7z2

Deduce that the equation has no solution in intergers except fo x=y=z= 0
 
doggie_Walkes said:
Deduce that the equation has no solution in intergers except fo x=y=z= 0

but that follows directly from the first result …

think about it! :smile:
 


I still don't get it :(
 
5 divides x y and z, so put x = 5a, y = 5b, z = 5c, then 5a2 + b2 = 7c2.

Now 5 divides a b and c, so put a = 5p, b = 5q, c = 5r, and so on … :smile:
 

Similar threads

Replies
14
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
2K