Proving Equivalence of (0,1) and [0,1] through Function Mapping

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The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence of the intervals (0,1) and [0,1] through a defined function. The original poster presents a function that maps elements from (0,1) to [0,1], specifying particular values for rational inputs of the form 1/n and identity for other inputs.

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  • Participants discuss the function's properties, including its injectivity (1-1) and surjectivity (onto). There are attempts to clarify the definition of equivalence and the requirements for the function to be onto. Questions are raised about the behavior of the function at specific points, particularly regarding the mapping of 0.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the function's properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to demonstrate that the function is onto, and there is acknowledgment of confusion surrounding the monotonicity of the function.

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There are indications of imprecision in the original statements regarding the function's behavior and its mapping range. Participants are questioning assumptions about the function's monotonicity and its applicability to the specified intervals.

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Homework Statement


Define : R as follows:

For n element J, n >= 2, f(1/n) = 1/(n - 1)

and for all other x element (0, 1), f(x) = x.

Prove that (0,1) is equivalent to [0,1].




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Equivalent means we must prove that (0,1) is 1-1 and onto [0,1].


The Attempt at a Solution


For n=2, we get f(1/2) = 1/(2 -1) = 1 and as n gets larger, 1/(n - 1) approaches 0. Since n
is an integer, 1/n is rational, so let x represent all irrational numbers in (0, 1).

Additionally, suppose f(x1) = f(x2) and x1 does not = x2, then since f(x) = x, we have
x1 = f(x1) = f(x2) = x2, which is a contradiction. Hence f is 1-1 from (0, 1) into [0, 1].
 
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show that f in monotonically increasing in the range [2, infinity)
 
IntroAnalysis said:

Homework Statement


Define : R as follows:

For n element J, n >= 2, f(1/n) = 1/(n - 1)

and for all other x element (0, 1), f(x) = x.

Prove that (0,1) is equivalent to [0,1].

Homework Equations


Equivalent means we must prove that (0,1) is 1-1 and onto [0,1].

That is a very imprecise and confusing statement. What I'm guessing you mean by equivalent is that there is a function f giving a 1-1 correspondence from (0,1) onto [0,1].

The Attempt at a Solution


For n=2, we get f(1/2) = 1/(2 -1) = 1 and as n gets larger, 1/(n - 1) approaches 0. Since n
is an integer, 1/n is rational, so let x represent all irrational numbers in (0, 1).

Additionally, suppose f(x1) = f(x2) and x1 does not = x2, then since f(x) = x, we have
x1 = f(x1) = f(x2) = x2, which is a contradiction. Hence f is 1-1 from (0, 1) into [0, 1].

That raises several questions, but I will ask you just one. You have defined a function f from (0,1) → [0,1]. For every x in (0,1) except 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ... you are letting f(x) = x and for the exceptions you are letting f(1/n) = 1/(n-1).

You must show among other things that this map is onto. What x satisfies f(x) = 0?
 
hunt_mat said:
show that f in monotonically increasing in the range [2, infinity)

Don't you mean monotonically decreasing?
 
hunt_mat said:
show that f in monotonically increasing in the range [2, infinity)

IntroAnalysis said:
Don't you mean monotonically decreasing?

Your function maps (0,1) into [0,1]. It doesn't map anything into [2,∞) and it is neither monotone increasing nor decreasing.
 

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