Proving Limit Existence: Analysis of Question 20.18 from 104hw7sum06.pdf

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of question 20.18 from a homework assignment related to limits in calculus. Participants are exploring the concept of limit existence and the conditions under which a limit can be proven to exist, particularly in the context of indeterminate forms.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between proving the existence of a limit and finding its value, questioning whether defining the function at the limit point is sufficient for proving existence. There is also consideration of how to handle indeterminate forms and the implications of manipulating equations to avoid division by zero.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the criteria for limit existence, with some participants suggesting that showing a function is defined at a limit point may suffice. The conversation reflects a mix of opinions on the elegance and sufficiency of different proofs, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a definitive consensus.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of the homework assignment, which may impose specific requirements for proving limit existence. The original problem involves a limit approaching zero, which adds complexity to the discussion of indeterminate forms.

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In this link,

http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~johnsonb/Welcome_files/104/104hw7sum06.pdf

for question 20.18, I wasn't sure about how the solution proved that the limited actually exsited. It does say what the limit is, but where does it prove that the limit exists?

Thanks in advance
 
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The two steps here (proving existence and finding a value) are pretty intertwined. The only way you could have an indeterminate form here is if you had 0 in the denominator, and if you show that you can write the equation such that you don't have any division by 0, you've shown that the limit exists.

There may be a more elegant proof to point to, but in this case I think it's irrelevant; as long as you've shown that the denominator, numerator, and fraction are defined, you've proved existence.
 
bossman27 said:
The two steps here (proving existence and finding a value) are pretty intertwined. The only way you could have an indeterminate form here is if you had 0 in the denominator, and if you show that you can write the equation such that you don't have any division by 0, you've shown that the limit exists.

There may be a more elegant proof to point to, but in this case I think it's irrelevant; as long as you've shown that the denominator, numerator, and fraction are defined, you've proved existence.

So to prove the existence of a limit, is it enough to show that the function is (or can be written in a different way that is) defined at the limit point?
 
Artusartos said:
So to prove the existence of a limit, is it enough to show that the function is (or can be written in a different way that is) defined at the limit point?

As I said, there may be a more elegant way to show this proof, but there certainly is no question as to existence once you've done that. It's especially obvious when we're talking about the limit of x as it tends toward 0, rather than infinity.

Generally speaking, showing existence of a limit of a sequence (or series) involves seeing whether indeterminate forms can be reduced to determinate ones. In the original equation, we had a denominator of 0, which means the fraction is in an indeterminate form. If you can manipulate the equation such that you remove all 0 denominators, infinities, etc... you have shown that the limit is determinate. And a limit is determinate if and only if it exists.
 
bossman27 said:
As I said, there may be a more elegant way to show this proof, but there certainly is no question as to existence once you've done that. It's especially obvious when we're talking about the limit of x as it tends toward 0, rather than infinity.

Generally speaking, showing existence of a limit of a sequence (or series) involves seeing whether indeterminate forms can be reduced to determinate ones. In the original equation, we had a denominator of 0, which means the fraction is in an indeterminate form. If you can manipulate the equation such that you remove all 0 denominators, infinities, etc... you have shown that the limit is determinate. And a limit is determinate if and only if it exists.

Alright, thanks a lot...
 

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