A question about the existence of a limit

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a limit in a calculus problem, specifically related to a function that is initially undefined at a certain point. Participants are examining the conditions under which the limit can be proven to exist, as well as the implications of continuity in this context.

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  • Participants explore the application of limit laws and continuity to establish the existence of the limit. Questions arise regarding the continuity of the function at the point of interest and the validity of using sequences to demonstrate limit existence.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties related to limits and continuity. Some participants suggest that the function's continuity is crucial for proving the limit's existence, while others highlight the need for careful consideration of the function's behavior at the undefined point.

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Participants note that the original function is undefined at x=0, which complicates the proof of limit existence. There is also mention of a "limit theorem" that may be relevant to the discussion, indicating a focus on theoretical foundations.

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For question 20.18 in this link:

http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~johnsonb/Welcome_files/104/104hw7sum06.pdf

I understand how they got the value 3/2 for the limit, but I don't see where they proved the existence of that limit...because the question is not just asking us to determine the value, right? It's also asking us to prove that the limit exists...

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Did you miss the part about "using the limit laws" near the end? For example, the limit of a quotient is the quotient of the limits if the limit of the denominator isn't zero, etc...
 
LCKurtz said:
Did you miss the part about "using the limit laws" near the end? For example, the limit of a quotient is the quotient of the limits if the limit of the denominator isn't zero, etc...

Thanks...

This is what I understood, but I'm not sure if it is correct...

Since the function they are giving us is continuous, we know that for any sequence x_n in the domain that converges to 0, [tex]f(x_n) \rightarrow f(0)[/tex]. Is that the proof?
 
Yes, in the initial form the function is undefined when x=0. The new form is a continuous function so the value when x=0 is the same as the limit, which is the same as the original limit. It is also of interest to notice that the limit is a Newton quotient so its value is recognized as 3sqrt'(1).
 
lurflurf said:
Yes, in the initial form the function is undefined when x=0. The new form is a continuous function so the value when x=0 is the same as the limit, which is the same as the original limit. It is also of interest to notice that the limit is a Newton quotient so its value is recognized as 3sqrt'(1).

Thanks
 
Artusartos said:
Thanks...

This is what I understood, but I'm not sure if it is correct...

Since the function they are giving us is continuous, we know that for any sequence x_n in the domain that converges to 0, [tex]f(x_n) \rightarrow f(0)[/tex]. Is that the proof?
Actually, the function they give us is NOT continuous because it is not defined at x= 0. Of course, IF the limit exists and we redefine the function to have that value at x= 0 then it is continuous at x= 0. The "limit theorem" used here is "if the sequence [itex]\lim_{n\to\infty}f(x_n)= L[/itex] for every sequence [itex]x_n[/itex] that converges to [itex]x_0[/itex], then [itex]\lim_{x\to x_0} f(x)[/itex] exists and is equal to [itex]L[/itex]".
 
I think the explanation in the link is very poor.
It is an often used method that is confusing
asked to find
lim f
we find a continuous function g so that f=g on the domain of f then
lim f=lim g=g(a)
where a is not in the domain of f

When poorly explained, limits seem like a function evaluation with some extra steps.
 

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