Proving ln(x) using infinite series

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The discussion revolves around proving the relationship between a limit involving a series and the natural logarithm function, ln(x). Participants are exploring the mathematical properties and implications of the limit expression given in the problem statement.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of limits and transformations to relate the expression to known functions. One participant suggests simplifying the limit by changing variables, while another questions the implications of the limit as it approaches infinity.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and exploring different approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding variable substitution and the relationship between the expressions, but no consensus has been reached on the final proof or method.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the methods they can use. There is also a mention of needing to derive a sequence for ln(x), indicating that the problem may have multiple parts or interpretations that are still being explored.

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Homework Statement



Well we are given a series of steps done with the number "x" and in the end the end value is ln(x). Basically we are asked to prove why it isn't a coincedience

Homework Equations



I put the steps into an equation, but i can't prove it.

ln(x) =[tex]^{lim }_{n->inf}[/tex] [tex](x^\frac{1} {2^n} -1)*2^n[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



Well plugging in gives me inf times 0 so i thought of solving it using Hopital's rule but i can't get to a form where it is 0/0. I tried factoring, rationalizing but i couldn't get anywhere. I would appreciate if you guys can help me do this little bit.

and I would also appreciate if anyone can show me how to come up with a sequence for this. Second part of the question askes me to come up with my own limit of a sequence to get ln(x). I just flipped changed the sine of - inside the brackets to make it + and added the minus sign to the -2n at the end, but that's like the same thing. So if you guys can give me some ideas it would be great! :)

Thank you
 
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Since n only occurs in 2n, you can simplify by letting a= 2n. Then the problem becomes showing that
[tex]ln(x)= \lim_{a\rightarrow \infty}(x^(1/a)-1)(a)[/tex]

Now I would be inclined to "reverse" the function: If y= (x1/a-1)(a), then x= (y/a+ 1)a. Do you recognize the limit of that as a common formula for ey? And if x= ey, then y= ln(x).
 
tanks a bunch ill get back on you on the reverse function let me work it out. I am eating right now :) But the limit makes sense (argg why didn't i think of that)
 
hmm i have a question about this, x= (y/a+ 1)a.

Wouldn't x=1 when we take the limit as a>>inf?

Thanks for your help

never mind i see how x wouldn't equal to 1 because y has some "a" terms in it so we don't know the ratio. But i don't see how x = e^y. Is the x formula like an equation for the e function?
 
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