Proving Massless Particle's Speed: 0.5c

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The discussion revolves around the decay of a neutral pion into two photons, focusing on proving that the original pion had a speed of 0.5c. The problem involves concepts from relativistic physics, particularly concerning massless particles and energy conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and energy in the context of the decay process. There are references to using the relativistic Doppler effect to analyze the frequencies of the emitted photons. Some participants inquire about the application of four-momentum conservation and its implications for the problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants providing insights into the mathematical relationships involved. Questions about the clarity of certain concepts indicate that further explanation may be needed, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Homework Statement


Massless Particles
A neutral pion traveling along the x-axis decays into two photons, one being ejected exactly forward and the other exactly backward. The first photon has three times the energy of the second. Prove that the original pion had speed 0.5c.

Homework Equations


for m=0, E=p*c
conservation of Energy E^2=(c*p)^2+(m*c^2)^2
gamma=1/sqrt(1-Beta^2)
Beta = v/c
p=gamma*m*v
E=gamma*m*c^2

The Attempt at a Solution



sum(momentum photons) = sum (momentum pion)
 
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The photon energy is easy to compute in a frame where the pion is at rest.
Use the formula for the relativistic doppler effect to find the frequency of both fotons in a frame that moves with a speed v. The frequency of the forward photon must be 3 times the
frequency of the backwards photon.
 
im_slow said:

Homework Statement


Massless Particles
A neutral pion traveling along the x-axis decays into two photons, one being ejected exactly forward and the other exactly backward. The first photon has three times the energy of the second. Prove that the original pion had speed 0.5c.

Homework Equations


for m=0, E=p*c
conservation of Energy E^2=(c*p)^2+(m*c^2)^2
gamma=1/sqrt(1-Beta^2)
Beta = v/c
p=gamma*m*v
E=gamma*m*c^2

The Attempt at a Solution



sum(momentum photons) = sum (momentum pion)

Are you familiar with four-momentum conservation?


You may use [tex]P_\pi = P_1 + P_2[/tex] where 1 and 2 refer to the photons. After squaring and using P^2 = m^2 c^4 , so that P_1^2 = P_2^2 = 0, you get

[tex]m_\pi^2 c^4 = 2 E_1 E_2 - c^2 {\vec p}_1 \cdot \vec{p_2}[/tex]

now, using the fact that the two photons move in oppposite directions, you find that [tex]4 E_1 E_2 = m_\pi^2 c^4[/tex]. Using the fact that one photon has three times the energy of the other one, you then have the energy of each photon in terms of the pion mass.

Then use [tex]E_1 + E_2 = \gamma m_\pi c^2[/tex] to find the speed.
 
I don't understand this. can you try explaining it in more detail?
 

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