Proving Math Logic Problem: Puzzle 8 Configuration

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The original poster attempts to prove that a specific configuration of a puzzle 8 cannot be transformed into another configuration through a series of moves. The problem involves understanding the mechanics of sliding tiles in a puzzle format.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants discuss the mechanics of tile movement and suggest examining the possible positions of the blank space. Others introduce the concept of parity in relation to the puzzle's configurations.

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Participants are exploring different methods to approach the proof, including examining all possible moves and considering the parity of configurations. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but various lines of reasoning are being discussed.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin the proof, indicating a need for foundational understanding of the puzzle mechanics and proof techniques.

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Homework Statement



I am supposed to prove that if you have a puzzle 8 in this configuration

A B C
D E F
H G

I have to prove that no matter how many moves you make (as you
would a normal puzzle moving one of the adjacent letters into the
blank space) you cannot make the configuration

A B C
D E F
G H

I know you can't. I have moved these letters around all over the place... but how do I start to prove it... I don't know where to start



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I just want a starting point...

 
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This is an interesting problem.

Isn't the idea that you can slide a letter left or right, or up or down into an empty spot? The physical puzzles I've seen like this won't let you slide a letter diagonally.

I don't know for sure, but I think that what you need to do here is to look at all the ways the blank can move around, starting from the "home" position, and getting back to it.

For starters, the blank could move all around the 2x2 square at the lower right. At each of the four positions what is state of the puzzle.
It could move around the two rightmost columns. At each of the six positions, what is the state of the puzzle?
It could move all around the two lower rows. At each of the six positions, what is the state of the puzzle?
It could move all around the perimeter of the puzzle. At each of the eight positions, what is the state of the puzzle?
I can't think of any other possibilities, although there might be some I haven't counted.

Once you exhaust the possible moves, and the one you're looking for doesn't appear, that would convince me that it's not possible. You have to make sure that you haven't omitted any possible puzzle states, though.
 
The proof of impossibility for games like this involves assigning a even or odd number to each game position and then showing that a move in the game can only change that number by two. So if the starting position is even and the final position is odd, you can't get from one to the other. This is a simple version of the '15 puzzle' - you can look that up for details.
 
how do I look it up? Sorry new at this
 
use google
 

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