Proving order relation of real number

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of order relations for real numbers, specifically focusing on the implications of inequalities involving negative values. The original poster presents statements regarding the relationships between positive and negative values of real numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore different methods of proof, including direct proof and proof by contradiction. There is uncertainty about how to incorporate the variable b into the proofs. Some participants question the definitions of -a and -b, while others attempt to manipulate expressions to establish relationships between these values.

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Several participants have offered insights and approaches to the problem, with some expressing confidence in their reasoning. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the statements to be proven, and while some progress has been made, explicit consensus on the proofs has not been reached.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the lack of explicit definitions for the variables involved and the need to consider different cases based on the values of a and b.

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Homework Statement


If a>0, then -a>0. Moreover, if a<b, then -a>-b


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axioms of real numbers can be applied


The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure what am I suppose to prove. So what I did was trying to prove "if a<b, then -a>-b" given that "If a>0, then -a>0."

I tried the direct proof method:
Suppose a<b, since we are given -a<a. So, -a<a<b. But I don't know how to bring -b in as the question didn't specify anything about b. So do I do 2 cases as in when b>0 and b<0?

I've also tried proof by contradiction:
Assuming a<b and -a<-b
But I don't know how to start ><

Need help! Thanks sooo much
 
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I believe those are two different problems:
1) Prove that: If a> 0 then -a< 0.

2) Prove that: if a> b then -a< -b.

Now, how are "-a" and "-b" defined?
 
So firstly I need to prove this statement "If a>0, -a<0" ?

what do you mean by how is it defined?? Like -a is defined to be <0?
 
Or like -a = -a + 0
and -b = -b + 0
-b = -b + (a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a) > -a??
 
Oh! I found out a way but not sure about it

-b = -b+0
-b = -b+(a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a)
Since a<b, (-b+a)<0
So, -b = (-b+a)+(-a) < -a
Therefore, -b < -a when a<b...

Is this prove alright??
 
Lily@pie said:
Or like -a = -a + 0
and -b = -b + 0
-b = -b + (a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a) > -a??
Better. -a is defined as the "additive inverse" of a or simply a+ (-a)= 0.

Lily@pie said:
Oh! I found out a way but not sure about it


-b = -b+0
-b = -b+(a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a)
Since a<b, (-b+a)<0
So, -b = (-b+a)+(-a) < -a
Therefore, -b < -a when a<b...

Is this prove alright??
Pretty good. Slightly simpler would be
a< b
a+(-a)< b+ (-a)
0< b+ -a

Can you finish that?

Proving "if 0< a then -a< 0" should be simpler.
 
Yup yup ^^

a< b
a+(-a)< b+ (-a)
0< b+ -a
0+(-b)<b+ -a + -b
-b < (b+(-b))+-a
-b<-a

yay! Thanks so much
 

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