Proving Orthogonal Projection and Norm using Inner Products

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The discussion revolves around proving a property of orthogonal projections in the context of inner product spaces. The original poster has established some foundational results regarding projections and is now tasked with demonstrating a specific relationship involving the norm of the projection and the infimum distance to a subspace.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the projection theorem and its applicability to the problem. The original poster attempts to relate the projection to the shortest distance between a point and a subspace, while others suggest using geometric interpretations and properties of orthogonality.

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There has been a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants providing hints and suggestions for approaching the proof. The original poster has indicated progress in understanding the problem, particularly through the use of inner product notation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their course content, specifically the absence of Hilbert spaces in their curriculum, which influences their approach to the problem. The discussion also highlights the challenge of working with abstract elements in inner product spaces rather than concrete vector representations.

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Homework Statement


Let U be the orthogonal complement of a subspace W of a real inner product space V.
Have already shown that T is a projection along a subspace W onto U, and that V is the direct sum of W and U.

The questions now says: show
||T(v)|| = inf (w in W) || v - w ||


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I have some vague notion that in R^3 say, an orthogonal projection can be used to find the shortest distance between a plane and a point. I have absolutely no idea how to prove this using inner products though.



The Attempt at a Solution



if we write T' for the projection along U onto W, then we have:

v = (T + T')(v)

T(v) = v - T'(v)

now T'(v) is in W, but I don't know how to show it is the w that minimises || v - w ||

Any suggestions for resources would also be welcome- this is not in my notes at all and google hasn't been that helpful :P
 
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There is a theorem called 'projection theorem' which gives you exactly that, but it only works in Hilbert spaces, so I'm not sure if it's general enough.
 
Let w_0=v-T(v), then w is supposed to be the point in W which is closest to v. Can you prove that for each w in W holds that

\|v-w_0\|\leq \|v-w\|

Hint: draw a picture and see if you get something perpendicular. Use Pythagoras theorem.
 
Thanks for the replies- Hilbert spaces aren't on my course yet so I don't think that's the way to go. I'm trying to use the second hint and do it with a diagram but not getting that far- also this is in any real inner product space not necessarily R^n..
 
T(v) is orthogonal to W, right??

So v-w0, w-w0 and v-w forms a right triangle.
 
Yeah done it now, thanks! I guess I did use pythagoras- Just conceptually not that happy with drawing triangles when the elements I'm using aren't necessarily vectors? Anyway, done it using just inner product notation and now happy :)
 

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