Proving Singularity of 3x3 Matrix with a1+2a2-a3=0 | A is Singular

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The discussion revolves around proving the singularity of a 3x3 matrix A given the condition a1 + 2a2 - a3 = 0. Participants explore the implications of this condition on the matrix's properties, particularly focusing on whether it can be proven that A is singular.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the given equation and the singularity of the matrix, considering cases of row reduction and determinants. Some question the relevance of a specific column vector in the context of proving singularity, while others explore the implications of having a zero vector as a solution.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that the existence of multiple solutions indicates singularity, while others seek clarification on the uniqueness of solutions related to the matrix's invertibility.

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There is an emphasis on the nature of the solutions to the homogeneous equation Ax = 0, with participants noting that the presence of a nontrivial solution suggests that A is singular. The discussion also highlights the importance of the zero vector in the context of the problem.

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If A is a 3 x 3 matrix a1+2a2-a3=0, then A must be singular.
I have the answering being true but how do I prove it?
 
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Dustinsfl said:

Homework Statement


If A is a 3 x 3 matrix a1+2a2-a3=0, then A must be singular.
I have the answering being true but how do I prove it?

Assuming a_i are columns or rows, then sure. Let's assume you row/column reduce something as far as you can.

We have two cases:
Case 1:
You end up with the identity. Taking the determinant, you'll get a nonzero number which will be affected by the row/column operations you did (like if you swapped rows and whatnot).

Case 2:
You have a row/col of zeroes somewhere.
Taking the determinant of this will give you zero (hence singular).

Since a_1 + 2a_2 - a_3 = 0, this implies that a_1 + 2a_2 = a_3.

What case is the matrix in? Why?
 
We can't prove it using determinants. The equation is in the form Ax=b. Where x is the column vector 1,2,-1.
 
Dustinsfl said:
We can't prove it using determinants. The equation is in the form Ax=b. Where x is the column vector 1,2,-1.

What does that have to do with anything? According your original post, this deals only with the matrix A. What does that particular equation have anything to do with whether A is singular or not?
 
Because that column vector is used in proving the singularity but I don't know how to do it.
 
Dustinsfl said:
Because that column vector is used in proving the singularity but I don't know how to do it.
I don't understand the question. The vector in question has nothing to do with that.

What are the ai? If they are columns/rows, you don't need that column vector. What is b, anyways?
 
Column vector b is the 0 vector. It has to do with homogeneous equations have trivial and solutions. That is how A is suppose to be proving for the question.
 
Dustinsfl said:
Column vector b is the 0 vector. It has to do with homogeneous equations have trivial and solutions. That is how A is suppose to be proving for the question.

Oooooh! I got you. This seems simple enough.

Consider any general system Ax = b.

If A was invertible, what does this tell you about x?
 
x is the inverse if and only if b is the I
 
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Dustinsfl said:
x is the inverse if and only if b is the I

No no. x can't be the inverse of anything because x is a column vector. x is a solution to this equation. What kind of solution, though? Hint: Is it the only solution?
 
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Nontrivial solution
 
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Dustinsfl said:
Nontrivial solution

There are no "trivial" solutions if b is not the zero vector. So, if A is invertible and b is not the zero vector, does there exist a y such that Ay = b and x =/= y ? That is to say, is x unique?
 
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It is giving that b is the 0 vector. I am not sure if it is unique or how to show if it isn't.
 
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Dustinsfl said:
It is giving that b is the 0 vector. I am not sure if it is unique or how to show if it isn't.

The fact b is the zero vector is the key part in the proof, because it guarantees you a solution. It guarantees you the trivial solution of x = 0. According to the problem at hand, you also have another solution of the form x = <1,-2,1>. Therefore, x is not unique.

Is there any way of connection uniqueness of solutions with whether A is invertible?
 
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The system Ax=b of n linear equations in n unknowns has a unique solution if and only if A is nonsingular. Since x can be the 0 vector and vector <1,2,-1>, the solution isn't unique; therefore, A must be singular.
 
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Dustinsfl said:
The system Ax=b of n linear equations in n unknowns has a unique solution if and only if A is nonsingular. Since x can be the 0 vector and vector <1,2,-1>, the solution isn't unique; therefore, A must be singular.

Correct!
 
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Thanks
 

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