Proving that a limit does not exist

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The discussion revolves around proving that a limit does not exist, specifically at the point (0,0). Participants explore different paths of approach to evaluate the limit and discuss the implications of continuity in relation to the limit's existence.

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  • Participants discuss approaching the limit along different paths, such as y=x² and the y-axis, and question the validity of these approaches. There is also a consideration of continuity and its implications for the limit's existence.

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Some participants affirm the soundness of the original poster's argument while others raise questions about the sufficiency of continuity in proving that the limit does not exist. The conversation includes various interpretations of the conditions under which a limit can be considered non-existent.

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There is mention of specific paths leading to different values, and the discussion includes the behavior of the function near the point of interest. Additionally, a new question about finding a derivative is introduced, indicating a shift in focus.

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Basically I need to know if the way I've done this problem is OK. I approached the point (0,0) along path y=x2, substituted 0 for x and got a value of 1. Fine

Then I approached along the Y axis, meaning x is always 0. Because x is always 0 and the numerator, the value of the function will be zero for all y.

Is this an OK argument?

Thanks
 

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Your argument is sound. (But why not just approach along y=x?)
 
haruspex said:
Your argument is sound. (But why not just approach along y=x?)

Because there's an x-y on the bottom, therefore this will give a 0 on the denominator for all x
 
noelo2014 said:
Because there's an x-y on the bottom, therefore this will give a 0 on the denominator for all x

Right. So? Doesn't that prove there's no such limit?
 
haruspex said:
Right. So? Doesn't that prove there's no such limit?

So are you saying if the limit is not continuous in a neighbourhood of (x0,y0) then that's sufficient proof that the limit does not exist?
 
noelo2014 said:
So are you saying if the limit is not continuous in a neighbourhood of (x0,y0) then that's sufficient proof that the limit does not exist?

I'm saying that if you have an infinite sequence of points converging to (x0, y0) such that the function is not defined at any of them then it cannot be continuous at (x0, y0).
 
haruspex said:
I'm saying that if you have an infinite sequence of points converging to (x0, y0) such that the function is not defined at any of them then it cannot be continuous at (x0, y0).

Ok, I think that's what I meant. I have another question which I've been stuck on for hours: How do I find the derivative with respect to x of

xsin(x)

I'm really stuck on this, been looking for a good explanation on how to do it. I've a calculus exam tomorrow :cry:
 
noelo2014 said:
Ok, I think that's what I meant. I have another question which I've been stuck on for hours: How do I find the derivative with respect to x of

xsin(x)

I'm really stuck on this, been looking for a good explanation on how to do it. I've a calculus exam tomorrow :cry:

##x=e^{log(x)}##. So ##x^{sin(x)}=e^{log(x) sin(x)}##. Now use the chain rule on that. In the future, I'd open a new thread for unrelated questions.
 

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