Proving that a sequence is within certain bounds

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The discussion revolves around proving that a sequence defined by a recurrence relation is bounded within specific limits. The sequence is defined as a1=1, and for every n>1, an+1 = an + 1/an. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that 20 < a200 < 24.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the growth rate of the sequence and consider using integration to analyze the recurrence relation. There are attempts to establish upper and lower bounds for the sequence, along with discussions about the validity of calculations and the implications of the bounds found.

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The conversation includes various attempts to understand the sequence's behavior and its bounds. Some participants express skepticism about the calculations presented, while others offer hints and guidance without reaching a consensus on the final outcome.

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There are indications of potential confusion regarding the completeness of the problem statement and the assumptions made about the sequence's growth. Participants also reference the need for inductive reasoning and the exploration of analytic solutions.

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Homework Statement


Define a1=1, and for every n>1, an+1 = an + \frac{1}{a<sub>n</sub>}. Prove that 20 < a200 < 24

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried a few things to no avail. First, I showed that this is an increasing function by showing an+1 > an. I tried finding a limit, by saying if lim_{n\rightarrow∞}an = L then lim_{n\rightarrow∞}an+1 = L. Plugging in L, and solving but that didn't help. I feel like I need to find an upper and lower bound and work from there but I'm not sure how

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Is this the complete question?
 
Yeah it is.
 
The first step is to get some idea of how fast an grows. If you think of the recurrence relation as a PDE, Δa = an+1 - an = 1/a then you can integrate to get a as a function of n. You'll then see how the n=200 relates to the lower bound of 20. Next, need to make up some inductive hypothesis for how far the sequence can deviate from the analytic solution.
 
Hi Elysian... Have you solved this now, got too busy elsewhere, or given up? Did you understand my hint? I can guide you to the solution.
 
haruspex said:
Hi Elysian... Have you solved this now, got too busy elsewhere, or given up? Did you understand my hint? I can guide you to the solution.

I did actually solve it, thank you for checking back. My bad on not replying. I found an upper and lower bound of the sequence, and with this I plugged in 200 into the lower bound of sqrt(2n), and the upper bound of sqrt(13n/6) and then got 20 and 20.866 respectively.
 
Of course 20.866 is certainly smaller than 24, but it seems a bit tight given the number in the question. This makes me a bit suspicious. Are you sure about your calculation? :-)
 
CompuChip said:
Of course 20.866 is certainly smaller than 24, but it seems a bit tight given the number in the question. This makes me a bit suspicious. Are you sure about your calculation? :-)

Pretty sure. To give you an overview of what I did,

I took an and looked at an+12. Which gave a formula an2 + 2 + \frac{1}{ a<sub>n+1</sub><sup>2</sup>}. I compared an2 to 2n, and said that an2 > 2n for n\geq3. Then by induction proved that this is the case for an+12 \geq 2(n+1). Then I had to find a value greater than 2n, so I approximated that it would be (2+z)n, where z is a small number. Finding z to be 1/6, I plugged that in, got 13/6 as 2+z, and then continued the same process as before.
 

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