Proving that Columns are Linearly Dependent

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The discussion revolves around proving that the columns of an m x n matrix A are linearly dependent when m < n. Participants are exploring the implications of the matrix dimensions on linear dependence.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to establish the relationship between the number of columns and the dimension of the space they occupy. Questions arise regarding the necessity of stating theorems and the maximum dimensionality of the space spanned by the columns.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that the reduced row echelon form of the matrix can provide insight into the number of pivots and the implications for linear dependence. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further clarification on certain concepts, such as pivots.

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There is a mention of the professor's explanation of pivots being unclear, which may affect participants' understanding of the problem. Additionally, some participants question the dimensionality of the space spanned by the columns in relation to the number of vectors present.

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Homework Statement


Let A be an m x n matrix with m<n. Prove that the columns of A are linearly dependent.

Homework Equations


Its obvious that for the columns to be linearly dependent they must form a determinate that is equal to 0, or if one of the column vectors can be represented by a linear combination of the other vectors.

The Attempt at a Solution


It seems like there has to be more shown to prove this statement, however this is what I have right now:
Let A be an m x n matrix, and let m < n.
Then the set of n column vectors of A are in Rm and must be linearly dependent.

Is this it? or do I need to state a theorem in here somewhere?
 
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B18 said:

Homework Statement


Let A be an m x n matrix with m<n. Prove that the columns of A are linearly dependent.

Homework Equations


Its obvious that for the columns to be linearly dependent they must form a determinate that is equal to 0, or if one of the column vectors can be represented by a linear combination of the other vectors.

The Attempt at a Solution


It seems like there has to be more shown to prove this statement, however this is what I have right now:
Let A be an m x n matrix, and let m < n.
Then the set of n column vectors of A are in Rm and must be linearly dependent.

Is this it? or do I need to state a theorem in here somewhere?

Hint: what is the maximum dimensionality of the space spanned by the columns (regarded as column vectors)?
 
The maximum dimension of the space spanned would have to be m+1, correct? For example if the vectors were from R3 we would need 4 column vectors so that they were linearly dependent.
 
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Show that the reduced row echelon form of the mxn matrix will have at most m pivots. Then there are n-m columns without pivots, which can all be expressed as linear combinations of the columns with pivots. Since they are linear combinations of other columns, they are linearly dependent.
 
It would have been helpful if our professor explained what pivots were. Thanks though Izzy I'll make sense of what you explained and go from there.
 
B18 said:
The maximum dimension of the space spanned would have to be m+1, correct? For example if the vectors were from R3 we would need 4 column vectors so that they were linearly dependent.

Are you telling me that you think 4 or more 3-component vectors can possibly span a space of dimension 4?
 

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