Proving That T Has a Supremum: A Mathematical Exercise

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The problem involves a set S of positive real numbers with an infimum c > 0, and the task is to show that the derived set T, defined as T = {1/t : t ∈ S}, has a supremum and to determine its value.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish that 1/c is the supremum of T but expresses uncertainty about how to prove that T has a supremum.
  • Another participant confirms that 1/c is an upper bound and suggests proving it is the supremum by finding a suitable t in S for any ε > 0.
  • Further attempts involve criteria for 1/c being the supremum, including upper bound conditions and the existence of elements in T that approach 1/c.
  • Questions arise regarding the definitions and variables used in the criteria, prompting clarification on the correct formulation of the conditions for supremum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various criteria for establishing the supremum of T. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conditions that need to be satisfied, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating definitions and assumptions related to supremum and infimum, with some expressing confusion over the notation and criteria used in the attempted proofs.

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Homework Statement

Let S be a set of positive real numbers with an infimum c > 0 and let the set T = {[tex]\frac{1}{t}[/tex] : t [tex]\in[/tex] S}.

Show that T has a supremum and what is it's value.

The attempt at a solution

Ok, so the value must be [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex].

But I'm unsure how to start proving that T must have a supremum. Any starting hints would be great :) thanks
 
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1/c is absolutely an upper bound, thus you need to prove it is the supremum, which means, for any e>0, you can find a 1/s such that 1/s > 1/c-e. find such s based on the fact that c is the infimum of S.
 
Okay I think I have something but I'm unsure whether it's right.

for [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex] = sup T it must meet the following two criteria.

1) [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex] is an upper bound such that [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex] [tex]\geq[/tex] [tex]\frac{1}{t}[/tex] [tex]\forall[/tex] t [tex]\in[/tex] S

2) [tex]\forall[/tex] e > 0, [tex]\exists[/tex] x [tex]\in[/tex] A with [tex]\frac{1}{c+e}[/tex]< [tex]\frac{1}{t}[/tex] [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex]

So my attempted proof follows that we can argue by contradiction.

supposing [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex] satisfies 1 and 2.

So 1) [tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex] is an upper bound

Assume that [tex]\frac{1}{c'}[/tex] = sup T so [tex]\frac{1}{c'}[/tex] < [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex].

From this I get for some e > 0 [tex]\frac{1}{c'}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{c+e}[/tex].

2) [tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\exists[/tex] [tex]\frac{1}{t}[/tex] [tex]\in[/tex] T with [tex]\frac{1}{c+e}[/tex]< [tex]\frac{1}{t}[/tex] [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex] [tex]\Rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\frac{1}{c'}[/tex]< [tex]\frac{1}{t}[/tex] [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\frac{1}{c}[/tex] which contadicts the fact that c' = sup T

Think I've made a bit of a mess of it as I'm trying to base it off an example that's kind of similar in my notes
 
what is the x in your 2) criteria?
What is the A in your 2) criteria?
By the definition, you 2) criteria should be:
for any e>0, there exists a t in S such that 1/t > 1/c - e.
If you think your criteria is equavalent to this one, you have to show us. ( I havn't checked it)

If you want to argue by contradiction, you made something wrong.
You already assume that 1/c satisfies 1 and 2, which implies that 1/c is the least upper bound. you assume again that 1/d should be the least upper bound, which is less than 1/c. From these two assupmtions alone, you already get a contradiction
 

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