Proving the Differential of $\det (A)$ with Differentiable Elements of t

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The discussion revolves around proving a formula for the derivative of the determinant of a matrix whose elements are differentiable functions of a variable t. The original poster attempts to establish the proof by induction on the size of the matrix, starting with a 1x1 case and extending to larger matrices.

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the original poster's approach to the proof, particularly questioning the justification of the equations presented. Some suggest that the proof is more complex than initially stated, and others offer insights into how determinants can be expanded by rows.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on the proof structure and expressing skepticism about the original poster's reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a more thorough exploration of the determinant's properties in the context of the proof.

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Participants note the importance of correctly applying the properties of determinants and the potential pitfalls in the inductive reasoning process. There is a recognition that the proof may require a deeper understanding of matrix operations and determinant expansion.

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Homework Statement



PROVE:
If A(t) is nxn with elements which are differentiable functions of t
Then:
\frac{d}{dt}(det(A))=\sumdet(Ai(t))
where Ai(t) is found by differentiating the ith row only.

Homework Equations


I know I should prove this by induction on n



The Attempt at a Solution


Consider the matrix A1 being a 1x1 matrix
So n=1
the derivative of the determinant is the same as the derivative of that one row, therefore the theorem holds for n=1

assume the proof will hold true for n=k call this matrix Ak

now prove the theorem holds true for n=k+1
\frac{d}{dt}(det(Ak+1)) =\frac{d}{dt}(det(A1)+\frac{d}{dt}(det(Ak))
AND
\sum(det(Ak+1) = \sumdet(A1)+\sumdet(Ak)

Is this it?
have I proved it?
 
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I had posted the exact same question a while ago and was too lazy to solve it.

I can't understand how you justify your first equation.
I can assure you the proof is much longer.
 


The determinant of a 1x1 matrix is equal to that one entry in the matrix isn't it?
so the derivative of the determinant is equal to the derivative of the one function in A.
 


syj said:

Homework Statement



PROVE:
If A(t) is nxn with elements which are differentiable functions of t
Then:
\frac{d}{dt}(det(A))=\sumdet(Ai(t))
where Ai(t) is found by differentiating the ith row only.

Homework Equations


I know I should prove this by induction on n
Sounds like an excellent plan!

The Attempt at a Solution


Consider the matrix A1 being a 1x1 matrix
So n=1
the derivative of the determinant is the same as the derivative of that one row, therefore the theorem holds for n=1
Good.

assume the proof will hold true for n=k call this matrix Ak

now prove the theorem holds true for n=k+1
\frac{d}{dt}(det(Ak+1)) =\frac{d}{dt}(det(A1)+\frac{d}{dt}(det(Ak))
Now, you have lost me. A "k+1 by k+ 1" determinant is NOT the sum of a 1 by 1 matrix and a k by k determinant which what you appear to be saying since you just use the "sum rule" for the derivative.

And \sum(det(Ak+1) = \sumdet(A1)+\sumdet(Ak)

Is this it?
have I proved it?
What is true is that a determinant can be "expanded" on one row. That is, we can, for example, expand by the first row. The k+1 by k+1 determinant is the sum of each entry in the first row time (plus or minus) the k by k matrix got by removing the first row and appropriate column. Use that to do a proof by induction.
 


:blushing:
I knew there was something fishy about my proof.
It just seemed too simple
I shall try to follow your advice ;)
I guarantee I shall be posting questions soon :)
thanks again
 

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