Proving the Equivalence of Square Root of Complex Numbers

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The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence of the square root of a complex number, specifically \(\sqrt{1+ja}\), to the expression \(\pm(1+j)(a/2)^{1/2}\) under the condition that \(a\) is much greater than 1. Participants explore the implications of this equivalence and the mathematical reasoning behind it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Euler's formula and the behavior of complex numbers as \(a\) approaches infinity. There are attempts to manipulate the expression and questions about the validity of the proposed equivalence. Some participants express confusion about specific calculations, such as the transition from polar to rectangular form and the interpretation of the square root of complex exponentials.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have pointed out potential errors in calculations and assumptions, while others are exploring the implications of the approximation involved when \(a\) is large. There is no clear consensus on the validity of the original statement, but various interpretations and clarifications are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem is taken from an applied electromagnetism textbook, which may impose specific assumptions or interpretations regarding the behavior of the variables involved. The discussion includes considerations of how to handle large values of \(a\) and the implications of using approximations in this context.

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Homework Statement


show that [tex]\sqrt{1+ja}[/tex] is equivalent to [tex]\pm(1+j)(a/2)^{1/2}[/tex] with a>>1


Homework Equations


Euler's formula?


The Attempt at a Solution


with a>>1
|z| = [tex]\sqrt{(1 + a^{2})}[/tex] == a
lim a-->infinity arctan (a/1) == [tex]\pi/2[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{z}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt{(ae^{j\pi/2})}[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{z}[/tex] = [tex]\pmsqrt a^{1/2} e^{j1.25}[/tex]

However, when I transfer back to complex form, I don't get it to equal 1+j. Not too sure how they got a/2 as well.

Any tips would be great.
 
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Where did you get 1.25 from, in the last line? That looks wrong...

I actually wouldn't bother with converting to decimals at all, since it would be inexact. Just leave it as [itex]e^{j\pi/2}[/itex]. What is the square root of that number?
 
That came from the square root of pi / 2.
 
elimenohpee said:

Homework Statement


show that [tex]\sqrt{1+ja}[/tex] is equivalent to [tex]\pm(1+j)(a/2)^{1/2}[/tex] with a>>1
You can't, it's not true. [itex][(1+ j)(a/2)^{1/2}]^2= (1+j)^2 (a/2)= (1+ 2j- 1)(a/2)= aj[/itex], not 1+ja. Of course, if, by "a>>1" you mean a is extremely large, then a is large compared to 1 so that is approximately true. Is that what you meant by "equivalent"?


Homework Equations


Euler's formula?


The Attempt at a Solution


with a>>1
|z| = [tex]\sqrt{(1 + a^{2})}[/tex] == a
lim a-->infinity arctan (a/1) == [tex]\pi/2[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{z}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt{(ae^{j\pi/2})}[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{z}[/tex] = [tex]\pmsqrt a^{1/2} e^{j1.25}[/tex]

However, when I transfer back to complex form, I don't get it to equal 1+j. Not too sure how they got a/2 as well.

Any tips would be great.
 
elimenohpee said:
That came from the square root of pi / 2.
There was no reason to take the square root of [itex]\pi/2[/itex]. Do you remember how square roots act on exponentials? That is, in general, what's the square root of [itex]e^x[/itex]?

HallsofIvy makes a good point, too - I didn't realize that at first.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You can't, it's not true. [itex][(1+ j)(a/2)^{1/2}]^2= (1+j)^2 (a/2)= (1+ 2j- 1)(a/2)= aj[/itex], not 1+ja. Of course, if, by "a>>1" you mean a is extremely large, then a is large compared to 1 so that is approximately true. Is that what you meant by "equivalent"?

Yeah I probably should have said approximately instead of equivalent. The question I posted is word for word out of an applied electromagnetism book for engineers. When it says assume a>>1, I just assumed a to be infinity.
 
diazona said:
There was no reason to take the square root of [itex]\pi/2[/itex]. Do you remember how square roots act on exponentials? That is, in general, what's the square root of [itex]e^x[/itex]?

HallsofIvy makes a good point, too - I didn't realize that at first.

WHOOPS, I meant to type 0.785 instead of 1.25. I guess that's what I get for trying to simplify without looking at my hand written work. In either case, it still doesn't seem to work out. I'm kind of stumped as how to prove the (a/2)^1/2 part.
 

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