Proving the Identity Property in Abelian Groups

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The discussion revolves around proving a property related to identity elements in abelian groups, specifically questioning whether if \( xx = e \) then \( x = e \) holds true. The context is set within group theory, focusing on the properties of abelian groups.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to prove the statement using definitions of groups and properties of identity elements. Some participants introduce counterexamples, such as the additive group of integers modulo 4, to challenge the universality of the claim.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that the statement may not hold for all abelian groups, while others are providing examples that could serve as counterexamples. There is no explicit consensus yet.

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Participants are considering specific cases, such as finite groups and groups of certain orders, which may affect the validity of the original statement. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the groups being considered.

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Hi guys,

I have quastion about groups:

G is abelian group with an identity element "e".
If xx=e then x=e.

Is it true or false?

I was thinking and my feeling is that it's true but I just can't prove it.


I started with:

(*) ae=ea=a
(*) aa^-1 = a^-1 a = e
those from the definition of Group

and now the assuming: aa=e

then:

aa^-1 = e = aa
a=a^-1
==> a^-1 a = aa = e

that's all i got.
Is anyone can halp?

thank you!
 
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what about the additive group of integers modulu 4?2 has order 2.
 
If G is finite, then you can prove that your result is true if and only if G has odd order.
 
But the main argument is about ALL abelian group with xx=e
 
To disprove a general statement, you only need one counterexample.
 
hedipaldi said:
what about the additive group of integers modulu 4?2 has order 2.

Do you mean grouo af all integers -
the identity element is 0
and for example 2 +(mod4) 2 = 0
although 2 ≠ 0
(I still trying to understand the modulo)
 
Yes, that is what he meant.
 
Thank you so much! :)
 

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