Proving the limit (delta epsilon)

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The discussion revolves around proving a limit using the formal epsilon-delta definition in calculus, specifically for the limit as \( x \) approaches 1 for the function \( \frac{x + 3}{x^2 + x + 4} \). Participants are exploring the steps necessary to establish this proof.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the initial setup of the epsilon-delta definition and express uncertainty about the next steps in the proof. There are attempts to manipulate the expression to control the terms involving \( |x - 1| \). One participant suggests bounding the expression involving \( |(2x + 1)/3(x^2 + x + 4| \) and proposes a strategy based on assuming \( |x - 1| < 1 \). Another participant questions whether values chosen for \( x \) should always be less than the limit point being approached.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in mathematical reasoning and exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding bounding expressions and determining appropriate delta values, but no consensus has been reached on the final steps of the proof.

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There is a mention of constraints regarding the choice of values for \( x \) in relation to the limit point, indicating that assumptions about the behavior of the function near the limit are being examined.

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Homework Statement



Prove the follow statements directly using the formal [tex]\epsilon , \delta[/tex] definition.

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 1} \frac{x + 3}{x^2 + x + 4} = \frac{2}{3}[/tex]




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The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]0 < |x - 1| < \delta \rightarrow 0 < |\frac{x + 3}{x^2 + x + 4} - \frac{2}{3}| < \epsilon[/tex]

Not sure what to do now.

0 < | 3(x+3) - 2(x2 + x + 4) / 3(x2+x+4) | < e
0 < | -2x2 + x + 1 / 3(x2+x+4) | < e
0 < | (-2x - 1)(x - 1) / 3(x2+x+4) | < e

Now I can control (x - 1), but how do I do this?
 
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Should I have posted this in the "Calculus and Beyond" section? :/
 
zeion said:

Homework Statement



Prove the follow statements directly using the formal [tex]\epsilon , \delta[/tex] definition.

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 1} \frac{x + 3}{x^2 + x + 4} = \frac{2}{3}[/tex]




Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]0 < |x - 1| < \delta \rightarrow 0 < |\frac{x + 3}{x^2 + x + 4} - \frac{2}{3}| < \epsilon[/tex]

Not sure what to do now.

0 < | 3(x+3) - 2(x2 + x + 4) / 3(x2+x+4) | < e
0 < | -2x2 + x + 1 / 3(x2+x+4) | < e
0 < | (-2x - 1)(x - 1) / 3(x2+x+4) | < e

Now I can control (x - 1), but how do I do this?
Now you need to get a bound on [itex]|(2x+1)/3(x^2+ x+ 4)|[/itex]

For example, you can start by assuming that |x-1|< 1 so that 0< x< 2. Then 0< 2x< 4 and 1< 2x+1< 5. Also 0< x2< 4 so 0< x2+ x< 6, 4< x2+ x+ 4< 10 and 12< 3(x2+ x+ 4)< 30. That tells you that 1/30< 1/3(x2+ x+ 4)< 1/12 and so that 1/30< (2x+1)/3(x2+ x+ 4)< 5/12.

Now you know that |x-1|/30< (2x-1)|x-1|/3(x2+ x+ 4)< 5|x-1|/12

Since you want to make sure that is less than [itex]\epsilon[/itex], you want [itex]5|x-1|/12<\epsilon[/itex] so you need [itex]|x-1|< 12\epsilon/5[/itex]. To make certain that |x-1|< 1 so all of that is true, take [itex]\delta[/itex] to be the smaller of 1 and [itex]12\epsilon/5|[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
For example, you can start by assuming that |x-1|< 1

I've been told that I should only pick values that are less than whatever x is approaching (ie. <1 in this case), is this true?
 

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