Proving the Presentation of S_3 with <x,y|x^3=y^2=(xy)^2=1>

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The discussion revolves around proving that the symmetric group S_3 has the presentation . Participants explore group theory concepts, particularly focusing on group presentations and isomorphisms.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various methods to demonstrate that the group has order 6, including listing elements, considering homomorphisms, and examining group actions. There are questions about the clarity of notation and the reasoning behind certain steps.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different approaches and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been provided regarding effective group actions and the implications of group order, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the arguments presented.

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Participants note potential issues with notation and clarity in reasoning. There is also mention of the need to prove that there are only two groups of order 6, which may influence the discussion's direction.

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Homework Statement



Show that [tex]S_3[/tex] has the presentation [tex]<x,y|x^3=y^2=(xy)^2=1>[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]x^{-1}=x^2,y^{-1}=y,xyxy=1[/tex]
[tex]xyx=y^{-1}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Let H=<x>, has at most order 3.
Then
[tex]y^{-1}xy=yxy=x^{-1}=x\in < x >[/tex]
[tex]x^{-1}xx=x\in < x >[/tex]

so
[tex]<x>\lhd G[/tex]

Then let <y>=K
and use
If
[tex]H,K\subseteq G ,H\lhd G[/tex]
then
[tex]G=<x><y> \subseteq G[/tex]
[tex]G=<xy>=<x><y>[/tex]
So
[tex]|G|\leq 6[/tex]

Or I can write out all possible elements of the group
[tex]\{x,y,x^2,xy,x^2y,(xy)x^2\}[/tex]
So the group presented has order of at most 6.(not sure if that's true)

My trouble comes when I try to show that it IS 6.

Do I list all of the cosets? How do I get equality so that I can show that this presentation is isomorphic to S3?

CC
 
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Well, if you're masochistic, you can write out the isomorphism and multiplication tables for [itex]S_3[/itex] and [itex]G[/itex], but that seems a bit excessive.

An alternative might be to show that there are only two possible groups of order [itex]6[/itex] and one of them is commutative.

Another option might be to show that [itex]G[/itex] and [itex]S_3[/itex] both have identical effective group actions on a set. Since you already know that [itex]|G|=6[/itex] showing that [itex]G<S_3[/itex] is sufficient, which, in turn can be showing by effective group action of [itex]G[/itex] on a set of order 3.

P.S.
Notation -- this is really not a big deal, but it bugs me.
[tex]y^{-1}xy=yxy=x^{-1}=x\in < x >[/tex]
Has [itex]x[/itex] referring to two different values. Splitting it into
[tex]y^{-1}xy=yxy=x^{-1}[/tex]
and
[tex]x^{-1} \in <x>[/tex]
is probably clearer.
 
What do you know about kernels of homomorphisms?
 
Ok here's what I came up with:
Consider:
[tex]a=(12) b=(123)[/tex]
then
[tex]a^2=(12)(12)=1;<br /> b^3=(123)(123)(123)=1;<br /> (ab)^2=(13)(13)=1[/tex]

let [tex]N=<ab|a^2=b^2=(ab)^2=1>[/tex]so then let x------>(12) and y------>(123)

F({xy})------->S3 is an onto homomorphism
and
G------->S3 is an onto homomorphism
but this implies that [tex]|G| \geq 6[/tex]
putting that together with what I showed above, that [tex]|G| \leq 6[/tex] this means that |G|=6 and the homomorphism from G to S3 is actually an isomorphism. (The kernel is contained in N)

I don't know for sure if my reasoning here is correct, and I'm not sure if it's completely clear.
Please give me some input.
thanks,
CC
 
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You say you wrote out all the elements

[tex]\{x,y,x^2,xy,x^2y,(xy)x^2\}[/tex]

in G. I don't see the identity in there...

The elements are:

e

then look at powers of x:

x,x^2

cos x has order 3

powers of y

y

cos y has order 2. Now that leaves mixed powers:

xy, x^2y

and we know that yx=x^2y, hence we can always write a word as one of the 6 listed items, e,x,x^2,y,xy,x^2y, and that these are all distinct. Clearly there are only 2 groups of order 6 (prove this - you simply need to look at what expressions xy might be eqaul to), this is one of them it isn't abelian, so it is S_3.
 

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