Proving the Roots of Higher Derivatives of a Polynomial Function

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The discussion centers around proving properties of the r-th derivative of the polynomial function f(x) = (x^2 − 1)^n, specifically that it has at least r distinct roots within the interval (-1, 1). Participants are exploring methods of proof, particularly through mathematical induction.

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  • Participants are considering the expansion of the polynomial and the implications of taking derivatives. Some are questioning how to express higher derivatives and generalize the proof, while others suggest examining special cases for insight.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored, including induction and the product rule for derivatives. Some participants have noted the clarity of special cases, but there is no consensus on a general method yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexity of the derivatives and the implications of the polynomial's structure, with specific attention to the fixed nature of n and the challenges posed by higher derivatives.

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Let f (x) = (x^2 − 1)^n . Prove (by induction on r) that for r = 0, 1, 2, · · · , n,
f^ (r) (x)(the r-th derivative of f(x)) is a polynomial whose value is 0 at no fewer than r distinct points of (−1, 1).

I'm thinking about expanding f(x) as the sum of the (n+1) terms, then it's easier to take derivatives. But I don't know how to get the roots from there then. Could anyone please give me some hints? Thanks!
 
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Well, have you figured out any special cases? Like maybe n small, or maybe r=0 and r=n?
 
I tried to prove by induction on r. But I'm not sure how to express the k-th derivative of f(x). r=0 or r=n are special cases, they clearly holds. My problem is how to generalize it.
 
f(x)= (x-1)^n(x+ 1)^n and all derivatives are done by repeated use of the product rule.

As for using induction, (x-1)^{k+1}(x-1)^{k+1}= (x^2- 1)^k (x-1)(x+ 1). Use the product rule on that.
 
Could you please be a bit more specific about your second line? The k here means the k-th derivatives. The power of (x-1)(x+1) is a fix n, and I don't think I'm supposed to do an induction on that. f^(r)(x) has to be a pretty messy function, is there a clear way to take derivative out of that?
 

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