Proving Triangle Side Lengths Using Congruence and Similarity

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The discussion revolves around proving the length of segment MN in a geometric configuration involving a square and a circle, with given dimensions and relationships between triangles. The subject area includes concepts of triangle congruence and similarity.

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  • Participants explore various properties of triangles APB, BQC, BMQ, and BNA, discussing their congruence and similarity. Some participants question the validity of certain arguments regarding the shape ANMX being a square versus a rectangle. Others suggest that the isosceles nature of triangle AMN might be relevant to the solution.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants offering guidance on how to approach the proof using properties of congruent and similar triangles. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best method to prove that MN equals 6 cm.

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Participants note that the problem is part of a structured question and that certain dimensions and relationships have already been established. There is an emphasis on the need for further clarification regarding the properties of the triangles involved.

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Homework Statement


As shown in the diagram below, the shape consists of a square and a circle with centre Q. Given that QM = 3 cm, prove that MN = 6 cm.

Known data:
-- triangles APB and BQC are congruent
-- angle BMC = 90
-- triangles BMQ and BNA are similar and right-angled

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This is a part of a structured question and I've already proved all the data listed above. I also know that AN = 6 cm as the triangles are similar, and I think that the solution might have something to do with triangle AMN being isosceles (but I can't prove that). There's probably something obvious I'm missing, so a nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Can you show that there is a point X such that ANMX is a square?
 
RUber said:
Can you show that there is a point X such that ANMX is a square?

Thank you! I think something like this would suffice: Let AX be the line parallel to MN, such that X lies on the extension of CQ. As we know ∠NMQ = 90°, ∠AXM =90° as they are interior angles between parallel lines. Since ∠MNA and ∠XAN are 90° as well, ANMX is a square, and AN = NM. Therefore MN is 6 cm.

Thanks once again.
 
I think that your argument only proves that ANMX is a rectangle. I may have steered you wrong...I do not see a good way to make the conclusion along those lines.
What about this:
triangles APB and BQC are congruent, so AP = AQ.
So you should be able to show that QMB = NPA.
Then use the isosceles rule to say BN = NM.
And I think you should be able to conclude the result you are looking for.
 
rushil_p said:

Homework Statement


As shown in the diagram below, the shape consists of a square and a circle with centre Q. Given that QM = 3 cm, prove that MN = 6 cm.

Known data:
-- triangles APB and BQC are congruent
-- angle BMC = 90
-- triangles BMQ and BNA are similar and right-angled

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2. Homework Equations
3. The Attempt at a Solution


This is a part of a structured question and I've already proved all the data listed above. I also know that AN = 6 cm as the triangles are similar, and I think that the solution might have something to do with triangle AMN being isosceles (but I can't prove that). There's probably something obvious I'm missing, so a nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
You should be able to do this using similar triangles.

From the result that AN = 6cm, you can show that ΔAMN is isosceles.
 
RUber said:
triangles APB and BQC are congruent, so AP = AQ.
So you should be able to show that QMB = NPA.
Then use the isosceles rule to say BN = NM.

SammyS said:
You should be able to do this using similar triangles.

From the result that AN = 6cm, you can show that ΔAMN is isosceles.

What about this:

As ΔAPB is congruent with ΔBQC, AP = QB
ΔANB is congruent with ΔBMC by AAS rule since ∠ANB = ∠BMC = 90°, ∠MCB = ∠NBA, AB = BC
Hence, AN = BM, the third side of the congruent triangles shown. As AN = 6 cm, BM = 6 cm
As ΔBMQ and ΔBNA are similar (scale factor 2), BN = BM*2 = 12 cm, and MN = BN - BM = 6 cm.
 
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