Pullback and Pushforward in Manifolds: Why Do We Do It?

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The discussion centers on the concepts of pullback and pushforward in the context of manifolds, specifically addressing their application in dynamics and continuum mechanics. Participants clarify that these operations occur between different manifolds, with vectors and forms residing in the tangent and cotangent spaces of the same manifold. Examples provided include the induced metric on a submanifold, such as the Earth's surface embedded in ##\mathbb R^3##, and the dynamics of a particle moving on a sphere, where the inertia tensor represents the induced metric. These insights emphasize the practical importance of understanding these mathematical operations in various fields of physics.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of differential geometry concepts, specifically manifolds
  • Familiarity with tangent and cotangent spaces
  • Knowledge of induced metrics and their applications
  • Basic principles of dynamics and continuum mechanics
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  • Study the concept of induced metrics in differential geometry
  • Learn about the applications of pullback and pushforward in continuum mechanics
  • Explore the dynamics of particles on curved surfaces, particularly spheres
  • Investigate the role of the inertia tensor in mechanical systems
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Mathematicians, physicists, and engineers interested in the applications of differential geometry in dynamics, continuum mechanics, and related fields will benefit from this discussion.

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In my ignorance, when first learning, I just assumed that one pushed a vector forward to where a form lived and then they ate each other.

And I assumed one pulled a form back to where a vector lived (for the same reason).

But I see now this is idiotic: for one does the pullback and pushforward between two DIFFERENT manifolds. But forms and vectors live on the cotangent and tangent space of the SAME manifold.

So, that being the case... WHY does one do this?

I can sort of intuit why ones does this for functions (pulling back a function to a simpler place).

But for forms? Why does one WANT to pull back a form?
Why does one WANT to push a vector forward?

Examples in dynamcis are most welcome (if possible).
 
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One of the more intuitive examples would be the induced metric on a submanifold. Embedding a manifold in a higher-dimensional one will induce a metric on the embedded space which is the pullback of the metric tensor in the higher-dimensional one. Example: The embedding of Earth's surface in ##\mathbb R^3##.

For the same reason, you can push vectors from the submanifold to the embedding manifold.
 
Orodruin said:
One of the more intuitive examples would be the induced metric on a submanifold. Embedding a manifold in a higher-dimensional one will induce a metric on the embedded space which is the pullback of the metric tensor in the higher-dimensional one. Example: The embedding of Earth's surface in ##\mathbb R^3##.

For the same reason, you can push vectors from the submanifold to the embedding manifold.

OK, now that is interesting. And I get it. But that is an obscure example. Can you provide one from, say, dynamics?

I mean, in the case of continuum mechanics, and the stress tensor, I can "intuit" (as I become more adept at this -- which I am not, right now), that the two manifolds in question could be the original and deformed configuration, and one wants to see what happens to vectors between them. (I can't imagine how FORMS would come into play, but I can wait). Do you have any examples like that? Dynamics? Continuum Mechanics, Fluid Mechanics, Fracture Mechanics?
 
observer1 said:
But that is an obscure example.
In which sense is this an obscure example? Embeddings of manifolds are among the more hands-on things you can do. If you want dynamics, just take a particle moving on a sphere. The configuration space is then a sphere - a submanifold of ##\mathbb R^3## and the inertia tensor is just the induced metric (multiplied by the particle mass).
 
Orodruin said:
In which sense is this an obscure example? Embeddings of manifolds are among the more hands-on things you can do. If you want dynamics, just take a particle moving on a sphere. The configuration space is then a sphere - a submanifold of ##\mathbb R^3## and the inertia tensor is just the induced metric (multiplied by the particle mass).

Ah... now I see... thank you!
 

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