Pulleys, Pulleys, and More Pulleys

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of pulley systems, specifically focusing on the forces acting on pulleys in different configurations and the implications for their safe working loads. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of pulley systems, including the effects of combined vertical and horizontal forces and considerations for pulleys housed in metal casings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether combined vertical and horizontal forces would create a diagonal force at a 45-degree angle on the pulleys towards the center of the system.
  • Another participant confirms that such forces would indeed move the pulleys towards the center if they are hanging from ropes.
  • A participant inquires about the implications of these forces when the pulleys are inside a metal casing bolted to the ceiling, asking if only the diagonal force should be considered for safe working loads.
  • Responses indicate that while the diagonal force is relevant for the pulleys, the direction of the force matters for the metal casing's attachment to the ceiling.
  • One participant seeks resources on the physics of breaking points of materials to better understand potential issues related to the metal casing and pulley system.
  • Another participant provides a link to a resource on structural analysis, which may help in understanding the relevant concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the effects of forces on pulleys, but there is uncertainty regarding how to approach the analysis when pulleys are housed in a metal casing. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on how to consider forces in different contexts, indicating that no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of understanding both the magnitude and direction of forces, but the discussion does not resolve how these factors specifically apply to the safe working loads of pulleys in various configurations.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mechanical engineering, physics, or DIY projects involving pulley systems and structural considerations.

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Ok so I will attach an image of two pulley systems. The one on the right is straight forward. Both forces are vertical so the force pulling down on the pulley is easy to figure out. The one on the left makes me a bit more confused. For the one on the left I was wondering if the combined vertical and horizontal forces would place a force in the diagonal direction (at a 45 degree angle?) on both pulleys towards the center of the system? If so how exactly would I figure out how this plays into the pulleys' safe working loads? Thanks for any guidance you can provide. :-)
 
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NekotoKoara said:
if the combined vertical and horizontal forces would place a force in the diagonal direction (at a 45 degree angle?)
Yes, which would move them to the center, if they are hanging on ropes from the ceiling.

NekotoKoara said:
If so how exactly would I figure out how this plays into the pulleys' safe working loads?
Forces are vectors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_vector#Addition_and_subtraction
 
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A.T. said:
Yes, which would move them to the center, if they are hanging on ropes from the ceiling.

Cool. Now what if they are inside a metal casing that is bolted to the ceiling? Would I just ignore the horizontal and vertical forces and just use their combined diagonal force when it comes to the pulleys' safe working load?
 
NekotoKoara said:
Cool. Now what if they are inside a metal casing that is bolted to the ceiling? Would I just ignore the horizontal and vertical forces and just use their combined diagonal force when it comes to the pulleys' safe working load?
For the pulleys, yes.

But for the metal casing that is bolted to the ceiling, it does matter which direction you pull, not just the magnitude of the total force.
 
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A.T. said:
For the pulleys, yes.

But for the metal casing that is bolted to the ceiling, it does matter which direction you pull, not just the magnitude of the total force.

Thanks for your guidance. I have a friend who is building a pulley system that is using pulleys in the configuration of the left system I posted. Would you happen to know of any online resource that I could read that address the potential issues that could arise with the metal casing?
 
NekotoKoara said:
Would you happen to know of any online resource that I could read that address the potential issues that could arise with the metal casing?
Potential issue is that the metal casing or it's attachment from the ceiling breaks.
 
A.T. said:
Potential issue is that the metal casing or it's attachment from the ceiling breaks.

That I am aware of lol. Sorry for not being clear. What I meant was do you have resources in mind that discuss the physics of breaking points of materials that I could read so I can become more familiar with to how to address these types of issues? I am not a physics student so I am teaching myself all of this stuff and at times have a hard time finding online resources to help me understand certain concepts. Any suggestions you have would be very appreciated :-)
 
NekotoKoara said:
That I am aware of lol. Sorry for not being clear. What I meant was do you have resources in mind that discuss the physics of breaking points of materials that I could read so I can become more familiar with to how to address these types of issues?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_analysis
 
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