Pulleys - Relationship between mass and aceleration

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1. Homework Statement
Diagram of a pulley system with masses X and Y hanging from ropes over pulleys, with the question text: 4. In the system given below ignore the friction and masses of the pulleys. If masses of X and Y are equal find the acceleration of the X?(g=10m/s²)

Diagram of a pulley system: a fixed pulley hangs from the ceiling with a string over it to block Y, and a second movable pulley hangs below with a string running from the ceiling over it down to block X.
Handwritten-style text reading: Since force acting on X is double of force acting on Y, aX=2aY


2. Homework Equations
How to get ax=2ay?

3. The Attempt at a Solution
a=10m/s2

And the solution I found was a=2m/s2

I found this at : http://www.physicstutorials.org/home/exams/dynamics-exams/142-dynamics-exam1
 
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So, I see you pointing at an exam solution. I don't see your attempt.

The solution you pointed at has a typo. And the explanation for it is wonky. You get the ratio of acceleration of the two masses by conserving string. That is, the string does not change length.
 
Oh, I am sorry. I didn't want to write all my attempt.

This was my full attempt
I used linear equations to solve this part:
Following the exam solution:
2T-10m=m*ax
T-10m=m*ay (I multiplied this by 2) and got 2T-20m=2m*ay

Then I tried to make a comparison between the accelerations, so I deleted "T" subtracting the first and second equations:
2T-10m - (2T-20m)=m*ax-2m*ay
10m=m(ax-2ay)

Then 10=(ax-2ay). Then, ay=(10-ax)/2
I replaced ay on the second equation:
T-10m=m*(10-ax)/2
Then, 2T-20m=10m - m*ax
2T-30m= - m*ax
-2T+30m= m*ax
Then I took the first equation and replaced m*a
2T-10m = -2T + 30m
4t=40m , T=10m

And then
20m-10m=m*ax, 10m=m*ax, ax=10m/s2

I need to how to get that ax=2ay
And if my answer was correct.
 
Did you read to the bottom of my post? You get the ratio of accelerations by noting that the length of string does not change. Suppose that the mass X moves up by 1 unit. How far down will Y move?
 
So I was reading that ay= - 2 ax.
And the answer is 2m/s2

What did I do wrong on my process?
 
AlonsoDeMaria said:
10m=m(ax-2ay)

Then 10=(ax-2ay). Then, ay=(10-ax)/2

So the correct was to write: ay=(ax-10)/2
Even so, using that leads to nowhere.

So the only possibility to solve that was just knowing "conserving string" law.

Is there any other way to solve that without that law?
(Or better for me to create another thread?)

Thank you very much for your help.