Pure Mathematicians in defense industry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role and necessity of pure mathematicians in the defense industry, exploring the intersection of pure mathematics and applied work in this sector. Participants consider career paths for those with a PhD in pure mathematics and the types of positions available within defense-related organizations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the need for pure mathematicians in the defense industry, noting that job requirements often include knowledge of mathematics and physics, which could apply to various STEM professionals.
  • Another participant suggests that mathematicians are utilized in software roles within the defense sector and encourages applying for such positions.
  • A participant raises the distinction between pure and applied mathematicians, expressing a desire to pursue a PhD in pure mathematics while considering career options in defense.
  • Some participants assert that pure mathematics is not typically employed directly in the defense industry, although certain organizations like the NSA and FFRDCs may seek math PhDs for roles that do not involve academic mathematics.
  • There is a suggestion that smaller contractors may be more open to hiring those with a pure math background compared to larger companies that prioritize specific skill sets.
  • One participant notes that while defense work is primarily applied, a background in pure mathematics can provide a solid foundation for applied roles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of pure mathematics in the defense industry, with some asserting that it is not directly relevant while others suggest it can be beneficial for applied work. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific career prospects for pure mathematicians in this field.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the distinction between pure and applied mathematics, indicating that the nature of work in the defense industry may not align with pure mathematical research. There are also references to the varying hiring practices of different organizations within the defense sector.

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Is there a need for pure mathematicians in the defense industry? I've tried looking online and one of the main requirements is that the person be knowledgeable about mathematics and physics, but this could be talking about mathematicians, physicists, or engineers.

P.S. I don't mean to sound rude, but please spare me any political and moral opinions that you may want to offer.
 
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We use a lot of mathematicians in software. I would encourage you to apply. It is fun work.
 
Pure mathematicians or applied mathematicians?

Also, I was planning on getting my phD in pure math. For career options it's between a mathematician doing research, or working in the defense industry, but either way I want the phD in pure math. Is this a problem?
 
Presumably you're aware that no one will hire you to do pure math in the defense industry. There are some places that will actively look for math PhDs, though, with NSA probably the most prominent. The studies and analysis FFRDCs (RAND, CNA, IDA) also recruit many science/math/engineering PhDs, though not to do work that's anything like academic math.

In the contractor world it's a tougher sell, for obvious reasons. One would probably be best off looking to smaller contracters that have a high proportion of physics and math types to begin with, rather than a big place (Raytheon, Boeing, etc.) that is looking more for specific skills to stick on a project.
 
JDGates said:
Presumably you're aware that no one will hire you to do pure math in the defense industry. There are some places that will actively look for math PhDs, though, with NSA probably the most prominent. The studies and analysis FFRDCs (RAND, CNA, IDA) also recruit many science/math/engineering PhDs, though not to do work that's anything like academic math.

In the contractor world it's a tougher sell, for obvious reasons. One would probably be best off looking to smaller contracters that have a high proportion of physics and math types to begin with, rather than a big place (Raytheon, Boeing, etc.) that is looking more for specific skills to stick on a project.

There is a lot of math work to be done in defense. It is of course all applied, but pure math is a good preparation for applied work me thinks.
 

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