Pushing a block question (Friction)

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The problem involves a block of mass m on a horizontal table, examining the forces of static and kinetic friction as the block is pushed. Participants discuss the frictional forces at play when the block is at rest and when it begins to move, as well as the conditions under which these forces change.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the nature of frictional forces, questioning how they adjust based on applied force. There is discussion about the conditions for static versus kinetic friction and how to express these forces in terms of given variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various insights into the frictional forces involved. Some have suggested expressions for the forces, while others are questioning the assumptions about the relationships between the forces and the variables involved. There is no clear consensus on the final expressions, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. There are indications of confusion regarding the application of static and kinetic friction coefficients in different scenarios.

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Homework Statement




A block of mass m lies on a horizontal table. The coefficient of static friction between the block and the table is [tex]\mu[/tex]s. The coefficient of kinetic friction is [tex]\mu[/tex]k, with [tex]\mu[/tex]k < [tex]\mu[/tex]s.

Part A
If the block is at rest (and the only forces acting on the block are the force due to gravity and the normal force from the table), what is the magnitude of the force due to friction?

Part B
Suppose you want to move the block, but you want to push it with the least force possible to get it moving. With what force F must you be pushing the block just before the block begins to move?
Express the magnitude of F in terms of some or all the variables mu_s, mu_k, and m, as well as the acceleration due to gravity g.

Part C
Suppose you push horizontally with half the force needed to just make the block move. What is the magnitude of the friction force?
Express your answer in terms of some or all of the variables mu_s, mu_k, and m, as well as the acceleration due to gravity g.

Part D
Suppose you push horizontally with precisely enough force to make the block start to move, and you continue to apply the same amount of force even after it starts moving. Find the acceleration a of the block after it begins to move.



The Attempt at a Solution



A: 0

B: [tex]\mu[/tex]s * mg

C: I know the magnitude of the frictional force is equal to the\horizonatal push but I don't know how to express that in variables

D: I am clueless on this one
 
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The frictional force is a self adjusting force. When it pushed with half the maximum frictional force, the body will not move. So the frictional force = ...?
For last part use μk.
 
1/2[tex]\mu[/tex]s * mg ?
 
Yes.
 
For part d, it is just [tex]\mu[/tex]k?
 
Chandasouk said:
For part d, it is just [tex]\mu[/tex]k?
No.
a = frictional force/mass.
 
So, it is [tex]\mu[/tex]k/m since after you start moving the block, you are using [tex]\mu[/tex]k and no longer [tex]\mu[/tex]s
 
Frictional force is μk*mg
 
Mastering Physics says The correct answer does not depend on the variables: m, m, [tex]\mu[/tex]k.
 
  • #10
Yes.
a = frictional force/mass.
See what you get.
 
  • #11
I did [tex]\mu[/tex]k * mg/m = a but it said The correct answer does not depend on the variables: m, m, [tex]\mu[/tex]k.
 
  • #12
Acceleration is μk*g.
You can it as (Fr/N)*g
 

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