Q. f(x)=ln (12x-5/9x-2)So by using the chain rule, i can

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function f(x) = ln(12x-5/9x-2), focusing on the application of the chain rule and quotient rule in calculus. Participants explore the correct identification of functions and their derivatives, as well as the proper application of differentiation rules.

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  • One participant presents an initial attempt at differentiation using both the chain rule and quotient rule, but acknowledges that their answer is incorrect.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the function definitions, asking for the correct identification of f and g in the context of the chain rule.
  • A participant confirms the function structure and suggests a clearer notation for the functions involved, proposing that f is the logarithm and g is the argument of the logarithm.
  • One participant asserts that they have resolved the problem by defining f(x) as the numerator and g(x) as the denominator of the logarithm, indicating a different interpretation of the functions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between the chain rule and quotient rule, providing a general rule for differentiating logarithmic functions.
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Participants express differing views on the correct application of the chain rule and the identification of functions involved in the differentiation process. There is no consensus on the correct approach or final answer, as multiple interpretations and methods are presented.

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Some participants appear to have different understandings of the roles of the functions in the differentiation process, leading to confusion regarding the application of the chain rule and quotient rule. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with differentiation techniques.

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Q. f(x)=ln (12x-5/9x-2)

So by using the chain rule, i can get:

(-4/3)((9x-2)2/(12x-5)2)

and by using the quotient rule, i can get the final answer, which is:

(2(-36x-8)(-36x-15)2-2(-36x-15)(-36x-8)2)
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(-36x-15)4

The answer that i got here is wrong, but i don't know, why?
 
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First of all do you mean: f(x) = ln \left( \frac{12x-5}{9x-2} \right)? In which case yes you would use chain rule and quotient rule. Chain rule applies to cases like f(g(x)), what is your f? what is your g? let's start there.
 


yes, and f is ln (12x-5/9x-2), where g is (12x-5/9x-2), correct??
 


fr33pl4gu3 said:
yes, and f is ln (12x-5/9x-2), where g is (12x-5/9x-2), correct??

Perhaps I used too many f's, let's say we have

f(x) = g(h(x)) = ln \left( \frac{12x-5}{9x-2} \right)

What is g? what is h?
 


Thanks, but i solve the problem, the f(x) will be the nominator of the log and the g(x) will be the denominator of the log.
 


No, I asked about the chain rule, not the quotient rule. Actually f is the whole function, h(x) would be the argument of ln( ) and g would be ln itself. In general you should know this rule:

If

f(x) = ln( g(x) )

Then

f'(x) = \frac{g'(x)}{g(x)}

So in this case the derivative of

ln \left( \frac{12x-5}{9x-2} \right)

is

\frac{ \left(\frac{12x-5}{9x-2} \right)'} {\left( \frac{12x-5}{9x-2} \right) }

Where ' denotes differentiation.
 


Since this doesn't really have anything to do with differential equations, I am moving it to Calculus and Analysis.
 

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