QFT, more a QM Question, Hamiltonian relation time evolution

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The discussion revolves around a quantum field theory question that primarily requires knowledge of quantum mechanics. The original poster expresses difficulty with the initial part of the problem, indicating familiarity with the latter part. The problem involves the Hamiltonian and its relation to time evolution, particularly through the use of ladder operators.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore various approaches to manipulate the Hamiltonian and ladder operators, including the use of logarithmic expressions and differential equations. There are discussions about the implications of the Schrödinger equation and the role of test states. Some participants suggest using series expansions and commutation relations, while others question how time is introduced into the equations.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing guidance on potential approaches and clarifying the use of commutation relations. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the introduction of time and the relevance of certain mathematical expressions. While some participants express confusion, others attempt to clarify the relationship between the operators and the Hamiltonian.

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There is mention of a lack of explicit expressions for the Hamiltonian in terms of ladder operators, which may affect the discussion. Participants also note that they have not been asked to derive certain results, indicating constraints on the scope of the problem.

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Homework Statement



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I am just stuck on the first bit. I have done the second bit and that is fine. This is a quantum field theory course question but from what I can see this is a question solely based on QM knowledge, which I've probably forgot some of.

Homework Equations



I believe the only relevant equation to use is:

##\hat{H}\Lambda = i\frac{h}{2\pi}\frac{\partial H}{\partial t} ##

The Attempt at a Solution



First of all I thought I should log the expression to get, obviously I need to be careful to keep order:

##\hat{H}\hat{a(k)} = \hat{a(k)} (\hat{H}-\omega_k) ##

I'm a bit thrown of by the fact that the Schrödinger equation acts on a state, the ladder operator itself isn't a state until acting upon a vacuum,, so perhaps if I included this it would make the algebra a bit easier as a 'test state' sort of thing with the operators, but I have omitted it for now).

I then conclude for the left hand side from the Schrödinger equation I get:

## i\frac{h}{2\pi} \frac{\partial(\hat{H}\hat{a(k)}}{\partial t} = \hat{a(k)} (\hat{H}-\omega_k) ##

##\hat{a(k)}## does not depend on time, ##w_k## does, and so I have a first order linear differential equation, and could identify an integrating factor, however I don't think this approach is valid since my integrating involves the exponential of ##\hat{a(k)}## and order matters, also when working backward with the product rule of differentiation there is no order on ##\frac{d}{dt}(uv)=vdu/dt+udv/dt ## and so if i turn u or v to operators, i don't think this integrating factor method will work?

I'm unsure what to do next/ how to approach if I am totally off. Other ideas I had where to
1) drop the 'test state' in the Schrödinger equation and raise the operators to the power of n, but this seems unnecessary when you can just log
2) take the conjugate of the Schrödinger equation, still treating ##\hat{a(k)}## as the 'test state' as said before, in order that I can plug something into the right hand side, once expanded, which ofc has opposite order of the operators to the lhs : ##\hat{a(k)}\hat{H}## instead.

Many thanks
 

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Just write down the series expansion of the exponent and apply the commutator relation given.
 
Orodruin said:
Just write down the series expansion of the exponent and apply the commutator relation given.
Orodruin said:
Just write down the series expansion of the exponent and apply the commutator relation given.

I haven't been given an explicit expression for the Hamiltonian in terms of the ladder operators in order to apply the commutator relations between the ladder operators a(k) ?. Of which exponent lhs or rhs or both?

thanks
 
binbagsss said:
I haven't been given an explicit expression for the Hamiltonian in terms of the ladder operators in order to apply the commutator relations between the ladder operators a(k) ?
You have been given an explicit commutation relation. ##H^n a_k = a_k (H - \omega_k)^n##

binbagsss said:
Of which exponent lhs or rhs or both?
Start with one of them and work your way to the other.
 
Orodruin said:
You have been given an explicit commutation relation. ##H^n a_k = a_k (H - \omega_k)^n##Start with one of them and work your way to the other.
how is this going to introduce ##t##? its not in the commutator relation
 
binbagsss said:
how is this going to introduce ##t##? its not in the commutator relation
we have not been asked to derive this result btw
 
binbagsss said:
how is this going to introduce ##t##? its not in the commutator relation
So what?
 
Orodruin said:
Start with one of them and work your way to the other.

are your responses to show the relation(that we have not been asked to derive), rather than the second stated equality?
 
binbagsss said:
are your responses to show the relation(that we have not been asked to derive), rather than the second stated equality?
No.
 
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Orodruin said:
No.
Orodruin said:
No.
so why would you randomly iintroduce an ##i## and a ##t##. the exponential relation?
 
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binbagsss said:
so why would you randomly iintroduce an ##i## and a ##t##. the exponential relation?
What do you mean randomly? It is a part of the relation you want to show. The exponential of ##iHt## is the time evolution operator.
 
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Orodruin said:
What do you mean randomly? It is a part of the relation you want to show. The exponential of ##iHt## is the time evolution operator.
omg got it at last, thank you
 

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