QM approximation (electron within nucleus, Griffiths 4.45b

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the probability of finding an electron in the ground state of hydrogen within the nucleus, using a specific wave function and exploring a power series expansion for small parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the probability using partial integration and expresses confusion about the power series expansion. Some participants suggest using the Taylor series for the exponential function to aid in the expansion.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the Taylor expansion and its implications for the problem. There is recognition of potential cancellations of lower-order terms, though clarity on this point is still being sought. Guidance has been offered regarding the correct form of the Taylor series and the specific parameter substitutions.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the approximation conditions, specifically the relationship between the nucleus radius and the Bohr radius, with an emphasis on ensuring that the small parameter is appropriately defined.

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Homework Statement


What is the probability that an electron in the ground state of hydrogen will be found inside the nucleus?

a) First calculate the exact answer, assuming the wave function [itex]\psi(r,\theta,\phi) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\pi a^3}} e^{-r/a}[/itex] is correct all the way down to r=0. Let b be the radius of the nucleus

b) Expand your result as a power series in the small number [itex]\epsilon = 2b/a[/itex] and show that the lowest-order term is the cubic: [itex]P \approx (4/3)(b/a)^3[/itex]. This should be a suitable appoximation, provided that b << a, which it is.

The Attempt at a Solution


Using partial integration a few times, I've gotten an answer for a) which I think is sufficient in order to solve b). [itex]P (r<b) = 1-e^{-2b/a}(2b^2/a^2 + 2b/a + 1)[/itex].

However, I'm completely lost on b). I'm looking for pointers here on how to even attack the problem. I can rewrite P so that I get [itex]P = 1 - e^{-\epsilon}(\epsilon/2 + \epsilon + 1)[/itex] but from there I'm stumped. I think the problem is that I've mostly forgotten how to do Taylor expansion, and a quick lookup does not help me in attacking this specific problem.
 
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Hi Saraphim! :smile:
Saraphim said:
… show that the lowest-order term is the cubic: [itex]P \approx (4/3)(b/a)^3[/itex]

[itex]P (r<b) = 1-e^{-2b/a}(2b^2/a^2 + 2b/a + 1)[/itex].

use the definition of ex (which is also its taylor series) …

ex = 1 + x + x2/2 + x3/6 + …​

then P = 1 - e-2ε(1 + 2ε + 2ε2)

= 1 - (1 - 2ε + 4e2/2 - 8ε3/6 + …)(1 + 2ε + 2ε2)

= … ? :smile:
 
Thanks for your response! I have a few problems, still. First, I feel the Taylor expansion should be [itex]1 - \epsilon + \epsilon^2/2 - \epsilon^3/6 +\ ...[/itex]. Isn't that right?

Second, I feel that I should be able to realize that the terms lower than the cubic somehow get canceled out, but I really don't see it. :(
 
Good morning! :smile:
Saraphim said:
Thanks for your response! I have a few problems, still. First, I feel the Taylor expansion should be [itex]1 - \epsilon + \epsilon^2/2 - \epsilon^3/6 +\ ...[/itex]. Isn't that right?

that would be correct for e

the question gives you e-2ε :wink:
Second, I feel that I should be able to realize that the terms lower than the cubic somehow get canceled out, but I really don't see it. :(

should cancel out now! :smile:
 
But how is that so? In the unexpanded P without substituting in [itex]\epsilon = 2b/a[/itex], I have [itex]e^{-2b/a}[/itex].
 
oh, I'm sorry, i was using ε = b/a :redface:

with ε = 2b/a,

then P = 1 - e(1 + ε + ε2/2)

= 1 - (1 - ε + e2/2 - ε3/6 + …)(1 + ε + ε2/2) :smile:
 
I think I understood what I was missing. I needed to set all terms in the product with exponents higher or equal to 4 to zero. Approximation is not my string suite. Thanks for the help!
 

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