QM Variation Method: Show Equations from ci Parameters

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The discussion revolves around the variational principle in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on how parameters \( c_i \) lead to certain equations involving matrix elements of the Hamiltonian in an orthonormal basis. Participants are examining the implications of these equations and the notation used in the problem statement.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the problem's requirements and the meaning of the expected results. There is a discussion about the implications of indices in the notation, particularly concerning orthonormality and the nature of the states involved. Questions arise about whether the indices in the bras and kets are intended to represent specific states and the implications of that interpretation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the matrix elements and their representation in an orthonormal basis. However, there remains uncertainty about the interpretation of the problem statement and the notation used, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct understanding.

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The original problem statement was presented without additional context or information, leading to varying interpretations among participants regarding the notation and the expected outcomes.

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Homework Statement


Show that variation principle (parameters ci) leads to equations
<br /> \sum\limits_{i = 1}^n {\left\langle i \right|H\left| j \right\rangle c_j = Ec_i {\rm{ where }}} \left\langle j \right|H\left| i \right\rangle = \int {d\textbf{r}^3 \chi _j^* \left( \textbf{r} \right)\left( {H\chi _i \left( \textbf{r} \right)} \right)} <br />


Homework Equations


I've got <br /> \psi \left( \textbf{r} \right) = \sum\limits_{i = 1}^n {c_i \chi _i \left( \textbf{r} \right)} <br />
, but


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm confused about what's being asked, and what the expected result means. Indices as kets and bras? If they're different vectors within the Hilbert space, won't they be orthonormal implying all i not equal j would be zero? I have a nagging feeling I'm either confused by notation or overlooking something basic.




 
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The left hand side is just the matrix elements of the hamiltonian in some orthonormal basis. If they are eigenstates of the Hamiltonian, this matrix will be diagonal.

The expression they give you for the matrix elements is the position space representation
 
Beyond that, I don't know what you're asking.
 
Well, thanks for your response. First, let me say that the problem statement as shown was exactly as presented, and we were given no other information. The only thing I can think of is that the indices in the bras and kets are really intended to be \chi_{i} and \chi_{j}, but this seems to be trivial, because in that case wouldn't <br /> \left\langle j \right|H\left| i \right\rangle = \int {d\textbf{r}^3 \chi _j^* \left( \textbf{r} \right)\left( {H\chi _i \left( \textbf{r} \right)} \right)} <br />
imply <br /> \left\langle i \right|H\left| j \right\rangle = \int {d\textbf{r}^3 \chi _i^* \left( \textbf{r} \right)\left( {H\chi _j \left( \textbf{r} \right)} \right)} <br />
? And if that's the case, doesn't that simply mean that the \chi's are simply the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian?
 

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