Quadratic Equations and kinetics

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving kinematics and quadratic equations, specifically finding the time required for a train to travel a distance of 100 meters given an initial velocity and acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to rearrange the kinematic equation into a quadratic form suitable for applying the quadratic formula. There are attempts to clarify the transition from the original equation to the quadratic form.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the quadratic equation setup and questioning the steps taken to derive it. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of the equation, but no consensus has been reached on the correct form or solution.

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There is mention of a discrepancy between the expected answer and the results obtained by participants, leading to further questioning of the setup and assumptions made in the problem.

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Homework Statement


Find the time required for a train to reach 100m if V0=20m/s and acceleration is
0.5m/s2


Homework Equations


s=v0t+(1/2)at2


The Attempt at a Solution


i am not sure of how to go about getting s=(20)t+(1/2)0.5t2 into quadratic form for use in the quadratic formula
this is my solution without the quad formula
s=v0t+(1/2)at2
100=(20)t+(1/2)0.5t2
5=t+(1/2)0.5t2
5=t+.25t2
5=t3
cube root of 5 is 1.71 which is def wrong:(
 
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mode656 said:
5=t+.25t2
5=t3
cube root of 5 is 1.71 which is def wrong:(

Just bring the '5' on the other side to get

0.25t2+t-5 = 0

at2+bt+c=0
 
in my book its sets up the quadratic form as t2+80t-400=0
the answer is still wrong i get 10??

it is supposed to be 4.5
 
\Deltax=vit+\frac{1}{2}at2

There's your kinematic equation.

Edit: sorry didn't see your attempt.

\Deltax=vit+\frac{1}{2}at2

0=vit+\frac{1}{2}at2-\Deltax

\frac{1}{2}at2+vit-\Deltax=0

Quadratic form
 
i know that's the equation but i need the quadratic formula to solve for time when only acceleration, distance and initial velocity is known
 
mode656 said:
i know that's the equation but i need the quadratic formula to solve for time when only acceleration, distance and initial velocity is known

Those are the only variables you need to know. I edited my above post, sorry for reposting what you knew.
 
don't worry about it. My problem does not lie within my use of the quadratic formula. My question is just pretty much how the book got t^2+80t-400=0
from 100=(20)t+(1/2)0.5t2
 
mode656 said:
don't worry about it. My problem does not lie within my use of the quadratic formula. My question is just pretty much how the book got t^2+80t-400=0
from 100=(20)t+(1/2)0.5t2

Multiply your equation throughout by 4.
 
any specific reason why? or is it just so?
 
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mode656 said:
any specific reason why? or is it just so?

If you plan to manually factorize it, it is easier to find the factors.

So instead of factorizing (1/4)t2+20t-100=0, it is easier to factorize out t2+80t-400.

If you plan to use the quadratic equation formula, then it really does not matter what form you put it in.
 

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